[Ambassadors] Fedora Chinese Community group on Facebook

Tue May 22 04:08:03 UTC 2012

>I have 100k+ emails, because I want to have them! I do not want to have to login to some obscure site, which half the time will not be accessible to me, especially when flying places, or when reception is bad on wireless communication systems. Email is there, is readily at hand for me, is available on all my devices, thanks to imap and options to download full messages.

You mean this site? https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors

> A forum cannot do that! Also, from an infrastructure point of view, all that needs to be extra maintained is mailman, which is not exactly demanding from an admin point of view. A forum would be spammed to death, and would have many other issues.
We have a wiki, that needs constant maintenance by everyone.

Yes it can. You can subscribe to threads on any forum software and receive instant email updates.

> And as I said, nobody is forcing you to receive mailing lists. If you do not care about staying informed, then don't be.
But in terms of being an ambassador, with the deepest respect, you should then ask yourself if you really should be one in the first place, as you probably don't care enough.

I ignored this statement the first time you made it for a reason. Please don't use that argument against me. I know what I signed up for.

I'm trying to offer a better solution than Facebook groups/G+

You're not being constructive.

Thanks,
Dan

-----Original Message-----
From: ambassadors-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:ambassadors-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Tristan Santore
Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 9:05 PM
To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora Chinese Community group on Facebook

On 22/05/12 04:59, Dan Mashal wrote:
>> I believe they invented the delete button a few years ago. Maybe you should see, if you have that technological marvel, but then I have 100K+ emails in my inbox, and use folders with filters, which works fine for me, so I am a bit ignorant with regards to various buttons and their functions.
> 
>> And just to clarify, I was being sarcastic above, with regards to the delete button.
> 
>> Nobody is forcing you to be on mailing lists, but if you want to learn something and stay abreast of what is going on, you should keep receiving them! That is how a lot of communication, especially official communication), takes place. IRC of course, is probably used a precursor to any mailing lists thread, unless the user does not use IRC at all, of which I know a few people out there.
> 
> So you admit you have 100k+ emails that could easily be organized, archived and backed up by a forum.
> 
> Thanks,
> Dan
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ambassadors-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org 
> [mailto:ambassadors-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of 
> Tristan Santore
> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:57 PM
> To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora Chinese Community group on Facebook
> 
> On 22/05/12 04:51, Dan Mashal wrote:
>>> Did you just volunteer to maintain a phpBB ?
>>
>> Sure, if that's necessary.
>>
>>> Besides, what is wrong with mailing lists ? Email is fast, simple, requires little space, allows people to read stuff on the move while commuting and working, is readable easily on small display portable devices. And most important, uses very little bandwidth, because it has no useless images, tags or other stuff that is bloated.
>>
>> They fill up my gmail inbox.
>>
>>> Just to clarify, this is not a flame, just arguments why mailing lists are more useful that forums.
>>
>> Thanks, hope that clears up why I suggest a phpBB.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Dan
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: ambassadors-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org
>> [mailto:ambassadors-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of 
>> Tristan Santore
>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 8:50 PM
>> To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora Chinese Community group on Facebook
>>
>> On 22/05/12 04:46, Dan Mashal wrote:
>>> Have we ever thought about creating an official Fedora php BB?
>>>
>>> I don't know about you but mailman is something I used to use in the 90's.
>>>
>>> I know I'll get flamed for this reply. Please don't reply about what's better phpBB or Mailman because right now we are talking about Facebook Groups versus G+ which is pretty sad.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: ambassadors-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org
>>> [mailto:ambassadors-bounces at lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of 
>>> Mathieu Bridon
>>> Sent: Monday, May 21, 2012 6:46 PM
>>> To: ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Ambassadors] Fedora Chinese Community group on 
>>> Facebook
>>>
>>> On Mon, 2012-05-21 at 21:37 +1000, Caius Chance wrote:
>>>> Yes this is kinda difficult... How about google plus?
>>>
>>> This will ultimately carry the same problemes, although perhaps for a different population.
>>>
>>> It just shows we should not rely on a proprietary third-party web service as our **primary** mean of communication.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mathieu
>>>
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>> Did you just volunteer to maintain a phpBB ?
>>
>> Besides, what is wrong with mailing lists ? Email is fast, simple, requires little space, allows people to read stuff on the move while commuting and working, is readable easily on small display portable devices. And most important, uses very little bandwidth, because it has no useless images, tags or other stuff that is bloated.
>>
>>
>> Just to clarify, this is not a flame, just arguments why mailing lists are more useful that forums.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tristan
>>
>> --
>> Tristan Santore BSc MBCS
>> TS4523-RIPE
>> Network and Infrastructure Operations InterNexusConnect Mobile 
>> +44-78-55069812 Tristan.Santore at internexusconnect.net
>>
>> Former Thawte Notary
>> (Please note: Thawte has closed its WoT programme down, and I am 
>> therefore no longer able to accredit trust)
>>
>> For Fedora related issues, please email me at:
>> TSantore at fedoraproject.org
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> I believe they invented the delete button a few years ago. Maybe you should see, if you have that technological marvel, but then I have 100K+ emails in my inbox, and use folders with filters, which works fine for me, so I am a bit ignorant with regards to various buttons and their functions.
> 
> And just to clarify, I was being sarcastic above, with regards to the delete button.
> 
> Nobody is forcing you to be on mailing lists, but if you want to learn something and stay abreast of what is going on, you should keep receiving them! That is how a lot of communication, especially official communication), takes place. IRC of course, is probably used a precursor to any mailing lists thread, unless the user does not use IRC at all, of which I know a few people out there.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Tristan
> 
> --
> Tristan Santore BSc MBCS
> TS4523-RIPE
> Network and Infrastructure Operations
> InterNexusConnect
> Mobile +44-78-55069812
> Tristan.Santore at internexusconnect.net
> 
> Former Thawte Notary
> (Please note: Thawte has closed its WoT programme down, and I am 
> therefore no longer able to accredit trust)
> 
> For Fedora related issues, please email me at:
> TSantore at fedoraproject.org
> --
> ambassadors mailing list
> ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
> 
> --
> ambassadors mailing list
> ambassadors at lists.fedoraproject.org
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/ambassadors
I have 100k+ emails, because I want to have them! I do not want to have to login to some obscure site, which half the time will not be accessible to me, especially when flying places, or when reception is bad on wireless communication systems. Email is there, is readily at hand for me, is available on all my devices, thanks to imap and options to download full messages.

A forum cannot do that! Also, from an infrastructure point of view, all that needs to be extra maintained is mailman, which is not exactly demanding from an admin point of view. A forum would be spammed to death, and would have many other issues.
We have a wiki, that needs constant maintenance by everyone.

And as I said, nobody is forcing you to receive mailing lists. If you do not care about staying informed, then don't be.
But in terms of being an ambassador, with the deepest respect, you should then ask yourself if you really should be one in the first place, as you probably don't care enough.

Regards,

Tristan
--
Tristan Santore BSc MBCS
TS4523-RIPE
Network and Infrastructure Operations
InterNexusConnect
Mobile +44-78-55069812
Tristan.Santore at internexusconnect.net

Former Thawte Notary
(Please note: Thawte has closed its WoT programme down, and I am therefore no longer able to accredit trust)

For Fedora related issues, please email me at:
TSantore at fedoraproject.org
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