Fedora Weekly News #177

Oisin Feeley oisinfeeley at imapmail.org
Mon May 25 12:25:40 UTC 2009

        Fedora Weekly News Issue 177

Welcome to Fedora Weekly News Issue 177[1] for the week ending May 24th,

This week we offer a special collector's edition with the last ever
Fedora Webcomic. PlanetFedora links Jeff Shelten's thoughts on "Why
Students Should Get Involved in Open Source", Ambassadors reports on
"Fedora en Mexico", Developments is getting "In a Flap Over Flags",
QualityAssurance takes a look at a "Mozilla/Beagle Blocker Bug
Proposal", Artwork says goodbye to itself but welcomes Design.
SecurityWeek examines the problems of "Cloudy Trust". Translations notes
that "Sections of the Fedora User Guide Cannot be Translated".
SecurityAdvisories includes an ipsec-tools update. Virtualization shares
details on the "Rawhide Virtualization Repository".

If you are interested in contributing to Fedora Weekly News, please see
our 'join' page[2]. We welcome reader feedback:
fedora-news-list at redhat.com

FWN Editorial Team: Pascal Calarco, Oisin Feeley, Huzaifa Sidhpurwala

   1.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FWN/Issue177
   2.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/NewsProject/Join

          Table of Contents

    1.1 Planet Fedora
           + 1.1.1 General
    1.2 Ambassadors
           + 1.2.1 Fedora en Mexico
           + 1.2.2 Tips on Fedora 11 release events
           + 1.2.3 Announce your Fedora 11 events
    1.3 QualityAssurance
           + 1.3.1 Test Days
           + 1.3.2 Weekly meetings
           + 1.3.3 Blocker bug review meeting
           + 1.3.4 Adobe Flash installation instructions
           + 1.3.5 Fedora 11 Common Bugs page
           + 1.3.6 Mozilla / Beagle blocker bug proposal
           + 1.3.7 New Bugzappers
    1.4 Developments
           + 1.4.1 In a Flap Over Flags
           + 1.4.2 FESCo Election Questions
           + 1.4.3 Anaconda vs YUM Upgrades
           + 1.4.4 Broken Dependencies in Fedora 12 Development
           + 1.4.5 Too Many Conflicts
    1.5 Artwork
           + 1.5.1 Goodbye Fedora-art, Welcome Fedora-design
           + 1.5.2 Statistics Poster
    1.6 Fedora Weekly Webcomic
    1.7 Security Week
           + 1.7.1 Cloudy Trust?
    1.8 Translation
           + 1.8.1 New Translations for Fedora Websites
           + 1.8.2 Zero-day Changes Made to the Release Notes
           + 1.8.3 system-config-kdump Not Enabled for Submission
           + 1.8.4 Sections of the Fedora Users-Guide Cannot be
           + 1.8.5 SELinux User Guide Now Available for Translation
    1.9 Security Advisories
           + 1.9.1 Fedora 10 Security Advisories
           + 1.9.2 Fedora 9 Security Advisories
    1.10 Virtualization
           + 1.10.1 Fedora Virtualization List
                 # Rawhide Virtualization Repository
                 # No libguestfs on Fedora 10
                 # New Release virt-inspector
           + 1.10.2 Fedora Xen List
                 # Xen 3.4.0 Released
           + 1.10.3 Libvirt List
                 # Libvirt VMWare ESX Driver In Development

== Planet Fedora ==

In this section, we cover the highlights of Planet Fedora[1] - an
aggregation of blogs from Fedora contributors worldwide.

Contributing Writer: Adam Batkin

   1.  http://planet.fedoraproject.org

=== General ===

Michael DeHaan wrote[1] an essay "Recognizing and Avoiding Common Open
Source Community Pitfalls" such as that "contributors appear overnight
out of the woodwork, that users grow on trees, and that it’s possible to
direct community members as if they were employees."

Thorsten Leemhuis asked[2]: "What questions would you like to ask the
Fedora Board or FESCo Candidates?" for the upcoming Fedora Board and
FESCo elections. "Hence we need to prepare a few good questions that we
can send to the candidates once the nomination period ends. And that's
where I need *your help*"

Richard W.M. Jones announced[3] the first proper version of
virt-inspector, "a command line tool that tells you what’s in a virtual
machine. You just point it at a disk image or a libvirt domain" and it
can discover a number of pieces of information about the installed VM.

Thomas Canniot posted[4] a How-To about running a successful release
event. "Fedora 11 is going to be released at the end of the month and
very soon, our massive army of ambassadors will want to spread how proud
they are of their Fedora 11 release to the masses."

Jef Spaleta calculated[5] new Fedora usage statistics that combined the
Smolt and MirrorManager logs to come up with some very interesting new

Paul W. Frields responded[6] to the recent discussions about the new
fedora-devel moderation policy. "There’s simply no place in free
software, and certainly not in Fedora, for that kind of abuse. Of course
harsh words aren’t the end of the world. When we let them become the
noise that drowns out the signal, though, we’re putting the project at
risk. If contributors feel their time in community discussions are
wasted, they will either hold them elsewhere, or simply go away."

Jack Aboutboul interviewed[7] Lennart Poettering ("Red Hat Desktop Team
Engineer and resident audio guru") about Pulse Audio and audio in

Susan Lauber wrote[8] about "how can you - a Fedora contributor - assist
in making the wiki more useful for everyone?" For anyone wondering how
they can start contributing to Fedora, this is a great way to start,
without any long-term commitments.

Nicu Buceli reported[9] from eLiberatica 2009[10] in Bucharest, Romania.

Jeff Sheltren discussed[11] "Why Students should get Involved in Open
Source". Jeff says that "from my experience, open source experience has
given our student employees an enormous boost when looking for their
first jobs out of college."

Adam Williamson mentioned[12] the Common F11 bugs wiki page, and how you
can help: "It’s really easy - everything you need to know to add an
issue to the Common Bugs page is right there in the page source, as a
comment. If you edit the page you’ll see a few chunks of comments which
explain how to add an issue (including a template entry), and what else
to do when adding one..." James Laska also suggested[13] that there are
still some high priority defects that could use some extra testing in
preparation for the imminent Fedora 11 release.

Thorsten Leemhuis explained[14] that "There is one small change in
Fedora 11 that I guess will confuse Fedora and RPM Fusion users with
x86-32 (aka i386/ix86) systems quite a lot, but afaics did not get
enough attention yet: By default, the PAE kernel will be used on 32-bit
hardware, where appropriate."

   1.  http://michaeldehaan.net/2009/05/17/oss-pitfalls/
   3.  http://rwmj.wordpress.com/2009/05/19/virt-inspector/
   5.  http://jspaleta.livejournal.com/42464.html
   6.  http://marilyn.frields.org:8080/~paul/wordpress/?p=1653
   7.  http://jaboutboul.blogspot.com/2009/05/sound-of-fedora-11.html
   9.  http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/2009/05/preamble-to-eliberatica.html
  10.  http://www.eliberatica.ro/2009/
  11.  http://sheltren.com/students_in_oss
  13.  http://jlaska.livejournal.com/5561.html

== Ambassadors ==

In this section, we cover Fedora Ambassadors Project[1].

Contributing Writer: Larry Cafiero

   1.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors

=== Fedora en Mexico ===

Alejandro Acosta recently presented the remixes workshop at the May
session of the local Linux User Group know as Gluch in Chihuahua,
Mexico. The reason is that many of the members of the Gluch could not
attend the workshop at Flisol since they where helping out in other

Alejandro created a customized distro based on Fedora AKA Remix and then
tested it on a LiveUSB.

A report on the activities can be found here [1] and at the Fedora
Mexico Facebook page here [2].

In addition, Alejandro also gave a talk about Fedora to COPI (an
organization of college IT professionals) at their May 2009 meeting. A
report on the talk at COPI can be found here [3].

   2.  http://www.facebook.com/pages/Fedora-Mexico/71816678729?ref=ts
   3.  http://alexacosta.wordpress.com/eventos/fedora-talk-copi-may-09/

=== Tips on Fedora 11 release events ===

Thomas Canniot posted a very helpful guide in his blog for those who are
holding events around the upcoming Fedora 11 release.

Thomas' blog can be found here [1].


=== Announce your Fedora 11 events ===

With the upcoming release of Fedora 11, posting your event on Fedora
Weekly News can help get the word out. Contact FWN Ambassador
correspondent Larry Cafiero at lcafiero-AT-fedoraproject-DOT-org with
announcements of upcoming events (and don't forget to e-mail reports
after the events as well).

== QualityAssurance ==

In this section, we cover the activities of the QA team[1].

Contributing Writer: Adam Williamson

   1.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA

=== Test Days ===

There was no Test Day last week, as we are deep in the Fedora 11 final
release run-up.

Currently, no Test Day is scheduled for next week - it is too close to
the scheduled release of Fedora 11 for any testing to produce results
directly in Fedora 11 final release, but if you would like to propose a
test day which could result in changes for post-release updates, or an
early test day for Fedora 12, please contact the QA team via email or

=== Weekly meetings ===

The QA group weekly meeting[1] was held on 2009-05-20. The full log is
available[2]. Adam Williamson reported that he had filed a ticket to
have Bodhi use the appropriate resolution for bugs fixed with stable
release updates. Luke Macken said he would take care of the ticket. Adam
also reported that he had not yet remembered to ask the Bugzilla team to
add a link to the Fedora bug workflow page.

James Laska reported that he had not yet sent out a Test Day feedback
survey to previous participants, but had a draft ready and would
continue to work on it.

John Poelstra said that he had not yet finalized a schedule for blocker
bug reviews during the Fedora 12 cycle, as the overall Fedora 12 cycle
was still not finalized. He will revisit the issue next week.

Will Woods reported there had been little work on the autoqa project or
adding upgrade test cases to the Wiki during the week, as testing for
Fedora 11 release had taken priority.

The group discussed the Fedora 11 release situation, and noted that the
release had been pushed back one week. They examined the blocker bug
list, and found it was generally manageable. Francois Cami noted that
major fixes to X.org's core or the ATI driver were unlikely as Dave
Airlie is on vacation. The group noted that most remaining X.org
blockers were in the Intel driver, and assigned to

The group then discussed the Fedora 11 Common Bugs page[3]. Adam
Williamson volunteered to revise the existing page to match the format
used for previous releases, initiate a few other changes based on his
previous work on Mandriva Linux Errata pages, and talk to other groups
about the use of the page, including the Documentation group, and the
IRC, mailing list and forum support teams. Francois Cami volunteered to
help ensure all appropriate X.org issues are tracked on the page.

In open discussion, Francois Cami noted that for Fedora 11, users of
several generations of ATI Radeon cards would now only have the free
drivers as a viable choice, whereas previously they would be able to use
the ATI proprietary driver from third-party repositories. It was also
noted that, at release time, the commonly-used RPMFusion repository
would have no packages available for the proprietary driver even for
cards for which it is still available, due to the lack of a reliable
patch for kernel 2.6.29. The group discussed whether this could be
explained in the release notes (with no definite resolution, but advice
to check with the Documentation team), and how to note the requirements
for a full and useful bug report for problems with the free driver from
such users. Adam Williamson noted that the appropriate venue for such
information would be the Bugs and Feature Requests Wiki page[4].

The Bugzappers group weekly meeting[5] was held on 2009-05-19. The full
log is available[6]. John Poelstra reported on progress of the
housekeeping changes for Fedora 11's release, and the group agreed that
he was doing a fine job and should keep it up.

Adam Williamson reported on the progress of the triage metric system.
Brennan Ashton has again been busy (and without access to a regular
internet connection), so progress has been slow. Adam clarified that the
main choke point now was the lack of a set of test data for the scripts,
to ensure that they were working correctly, and explained he was doing
his best to get this data made available. Once it is available, work on
the system is no longer solely dependent on Brennan being available.

Adam Williamson also reported on the progress of the proposal to include
setting the priority / severity fields as part of triage. He had sent
out the mail asking for feedback on how to proceed, but had received
none yet. The group agreed that he should send out another mail as a new
thread, and set a deadline of the end of the week; if no significant
feedback to the contrary was received by that point, the group agreed
they should proceed using the method proposed by Matej Cepl.

The next QA weekly meeting will be held on 2009-05-27 at 1600 UTC in
#fedora-meeting, and the next Bugzappers weekly meeting on 2009-05-26 at
1500 UTC in #fedora-meeting.

   1.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings
   2.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/Meetings/20090520
   3.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Common_F11_bugs
   4.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugsAndFeatureRequests
   5.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/BugZappers/Meetings

=== Blocker bug review meeting ===

John Poelstra announced[1] a joint QA / Release Engineering Fedora 11
blocker bug review meeting on Friday 2009-05-22. The meeting was not
logged, but all outstanding release blockers were reviewed, some were
closed or downgraded, and action plans were decided for several.


=== Adobe Flash installation instructions ===

Christopher Beland explained[1] that he had updated the Wiki page on
Flash[2] with the latest instructions on installing it on x86-64
systems. Adam Williamson noted[3] that the page should emphasize free
software alternatives as well as the proprietary Adobe Flash system.
Paul Frields announced[4] that he had made such a change.

   2.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash

=== Fedora 11 Common Bugs page ===

Adam Williamson announced[1] his revisions to the Fedora 11 Common Bugs
page, and asked the group to contribute to expanding and maintaining the
page and consistently refer to it when explaining problems. He also
explained some of the planned improvements to the content of the page
and its interaction with Bugzilla.


=== Mozilla / Beagle blocker bug proposal ===

Jonathan Kamens asked[1] whether a bug preventing Beagle from searching
Mozilla Firefox and Thunderbird data should be a release blocker, on the
basis that desktop search is a key function for some users and web
browser and email data are important sets which someone may wish to
search. Brian Pepple pointed out[2] that it did not meet the official
release blocker criteria[3], but Jonathan responded that the page admits
this is a subjective judgment, and many bugs that do not strictly meet
those criteria are in fact considered blockers. In the end, it was
mostly agreed that, because Beagle is not installed by default and so is
not considered core functionality, the issue should not be considered a

   3.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria

=== New Bugzappers ===

Two new Bugzappers volunteers introduced themselves this week: Xia Shing
Zee[1] and Alex Turner[2].


== Developments ==

In this section the people, personalities and debates on the
@fedora-devel mailing list are summarized.

Contributing Writer: Oisin Feeley

=== In a Flap Over Flags ===

This week's "frank and open exchange of views" took the (non)inclusion
of country flags as its subject. A reminder was posted[1] by Kevin Fenzi
of a previous FESCo decision to split flags representing geopolitical or
ethnocultural concepts into separate subpackages. Tom Callaway posted[2]
the history of how he had come to draft the proposal and noted that the
inclusion of the Taiwan/Republic of China flag and possible consequences
to the distributability of Fedora in the P.R.C. were the initial
impetus. Upon request Josh Boyer provided[3] the relevant IRC log of the
2009-03-27 FESCo meeting.

Lots of discussion was had in several separate threads. FESCo was
criticized repeatedly for taking the decision.

When Project Leader Paul W. Frields was pressed to comment he replied[4]
that it was not his job to interfere with FESCo decisions of this sort
and that he agreed with David Woodhouse's take: namely, that while
disapproving of censorship, there was precedent for removing material
deemed likely to offend the sensibilities of some users.

Although Bill Nottingham thought that it was absurd Toshio Kuratomi and
Seth Vidal explored[5] some ideas about how YUM plugins and a new entry
in the Provides namespace might enable a technical solution.

Jesse Keating outlined[6] the advantages of a "no flags" policy in
gaining possible contributors from the PRC and also getting wider
exposure for software in RHEL.

Denis Leroy was a persistent critic of the decision and called[7] for
most of FESCo to resign.

Patrice Dumas kicked off[8] a fresh instance of the thread which recast
the discussion in terms of two separate issues: legality and giving

Christoph Wickert started[9] a fresh instance of the thread because:
"[t]he `Package Maintainers Flags policy" thread already counts more
than 225 mails, but nobody bothered to answer 7 simple (?) questions I
asked in my mail, although it was one of the very first three mails on
the topic. So what did I do wrong? Was it that I mentioned the missing
FESCo meeting minutes? If 8 out of 21 summaries are missing, IMHO this
is a fact worth mentioning. I'm one of the few maintainers who directly
is affected by the policy. Would somebody - preferably a FESCo member,
who voted for the flags proposal - please be so kind to answer my
questions. TIA!" Josh Boyer answered[10] pretty thoroughly. He included
the information that the policy would be revisited in the next meeting
and an explanation that the FESCo meeting summaries were incomplete due
to the failure of an attempt to rotate the onerous minute taking duties.
Bill Nottingham added[11] that the missing items should now be

Yet a further thread was started[12] by Martin Sourada as a proposal to
create icon-themes as a long-term support solution.

The policy, as currently formulated is[13] posted on the wiki.

The 2009-05-22 FESCo meeting voted[14] to overturn the flag policy and
to start gathering information on the actual scope of the problem. Kevin
Kofler started[15] a thread to this end.

  13.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_Maintainers_Flags_Policy

=== FESCo Election Questions ===

John Stanley reminded[1] everyone that nominations for five FESCo seats
are open until 2009-05-29 for "[a]ny interested Fedora packager [...]
the only requirement is membership in the 'packager' group in FAS."

Given the rumblings over the geopolitical flags issue (and other signs
of discontent) it may be that this will be an interesting election.

The requirement to be a packager was a new one and raised[2] questions
from John Poelstra and Rahul Sundaram. Jesse Keating argued[3] that
FESCo was "[...] primarily concerned with the packages and distribution
release side of the house." This was disputed by several commenters who
referenced decisions made by FESCo which affected documentation, artwork
and internationalization.

John Rose wanted to know why the voting-pool was not the same as the
candidate-pool and Josh Boyer responded[4] that the issue should be
raised by filing a ticket with FESCo. Andreas Thiemann and John Rose
agreed[5] that there was a culture of meritocracy in the Fedora Project
and John Rose observed that: "The Fedora Board and FESCo and others
think of themselves as being part of a meritocracy (at least that is my
perception of what they think) but at the same time are trying to
encourage more widespread democratic participation which naturally runs
counter to perpetuating the meritocracy."

A subsequent 2009-05-22 FESCo meeting addressed the issue of restricting
its membership to packagers and ratified the current practice while
leaving open the door for further discussion if need be. The meeting
summary (posted[6] by Bill Nottingham) noted that no one who lacked
packager status had actually expressed interest in running.

Thorsten Leemhuis asked[7] for participation in preparing questions to
pose to the candidates once the nominations are closed.


=== Anaconda vs YUM Upgrades ===

A brief thread initiated by David Timms explored[1] why it has been
easier to upgrade a system with anaconda rather than YUM. David
referenced a suggestion that: "anaconda is cheating (ie running --nodeps
installs). This would allow it to complete an upgrade where dependencies
lead to unavailable packages that are not on the dvd, but are in the
complete Fedora, and or non- fedora repositories, that are not available
at upgrade time."

Seth Vidal replied[2] that as anaconda was running outside of the system
experiencing the update it was free to use "--nodeps [without] a concern
for not being able to complete the transaction." Anaconda's ability to
use blacklists to exclude particular items from such transactions is now
available to preupgrade as a YUM plugin.

Jeremy Katz added[3] that: "It also means that we can do things like use
a newer version of rpm or a new kernel with ext4 support to (eventually)
allow for migrating from ext3->ext4[.]"


=== Broken Dependencies in Fedora 12 Development ===

Michael Schwendt posted three lists of broken dependencies in Fedora 12


=== Too Many Conflicts ===

Michael Schwendt reminded[1] the list that packagers were ignoring
conflicts too readily.


== Artwork ==

In this section, we cover the Fedora Artwork Project[1].

Contributing Writer: Nicu Buculei

   1.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork

=== Goodbye Fedora-art, Welcome Fedora-design ===

Máirín Duffy announced[1] a major rebranding: "we are going to rebrand
ourselves as the Fedora Design team rather than the Fedora Art team,
both in hopes of attracting more UX designers, and also since it's a
more accurate representation of the team so folks needing help with UI
design will know where to go." The change involves modification in the
mailing list, IRC channel, the Fedora Account System and awesome new
functionality, shared file storage "This means rather than painfully
uploading your work file-by-file to the wiki, you can just drag and drop
files in batches to the shared directory and link to the top level or
individual files from the wiki [...] This way, other folks on the design
team can collaborate and upload their improvements and remixes to the
same place so we don't have files for the same project all over the


=== Statistics Poster ===

Steven Moix asked[1] of @fedora-design about an updated statistic
poster[2] "Could someone have a look at the Statistics Poster to update
it to 4F standards and update it with recent statistics?", request
quickly accomplished[3]Paul Frields "It was very easy to do, thanks to
the way it was created -- whoever you are, thank you very much!" (as
discovered later[4], it was developed by Dimitris Glezos and Máirín

   2.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing_statistics_poster

== Fedora Weekly Webcomic ==

Nicu's latest and last webcomic[1]

   1.  http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/search/label/webcomic

== Security Week ==

In this section, we highlight the security stories from the week in

Contributing Writer: JoshBressers

=== Cloudy Trust? ===

CIO.com has a nice article that points out some of the probably flaws in
cloud computing: Cloud Security: Danger (and Opportunity) Ahead. [1] In
theory, cloud computing is a fine idea that has the potential to lower
the cost of a CPU cycle dramatically. The thing nobody is really talking
about yet is keeping your data secure. Right now, it would be rather
unwise to presume that anything you send to the cloud won't be
compromised in some way. Securing a highly multi-user environment such
as this is going to pose a huge challenge. Problems nobody has even
though of are going to emerge, and will take a great deal of cooperation
and understanding to solve them. This is one of the places that Open
Source style collaboration will prove to be highly useful.


== Translation ==

This section covers the news surrounding the Fedora Translation (L10n)

Contributing Writer: Runa Bhattacharjee

   1.  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/L10N

=== New Translations for Fedora Websites ===

Translations in Korean, Traditional Chinese, French, Japanese, and
Russian were added for the various Fedora-website pages for the first
time in Fedora 11[1].


=== Zero-day Changes Made to the Release Notes ===

Ruediger Landmann announced[1] the zero day updates to the F11 Release
Notes which in include all the issues reported by the Translation and
Documentation team.

Earlier, DomingoBecker reported[2] the lack of references about the
'5.2.1. Fingerprint Readers' section in the Fedora 11 Release Notes.
PaulFrields suggested[3] the addition of a link to a wiki page as the
reference with a mention of note for 'further information' and the note
could be easily translated by reusing translations from existing


=== system-config-kdump Not Enabled for Submission ===

Kris Thomsen brought forward a problem[1] with the submission of the
system-config-kdump package via translate.fedoraproject.org. It was
later found[2] that the user account 'transif' used to submit
translations via translate.fedoraproject.org had not been granted
submission privileges for this module. This problem is currently in
process of being resolved.


=== Sections of the Fedora Users-Guide Cannot be Translated ===

Daniel Cabrera reported[1] that some lines from the Fedora User Guide
are missing from the .pot file and as a result these lines remain
untranslated in the final document. This was caused while merging the
many disparate files generated by publican[2].


=== SELinux User Guide Now Available for Translation ===

Scott Radvan, writer of the Fedora SELinux User Guide, announced[1] the
availability of the document for translation. The disparate files have
been merged together into a single .pot file, which can be downloaded.
The translations for this document can be submitted via


== Security Advisories ==

In this section, we cover Security Advisories from


Contributing Writer: David Nalley
=== Fedora 10 Security Advisories ===

    * ipsec-tools-0.7.2-1.fc10 -
    * nsd-3.2.2-2.fc10 -
    * memcached-1.2.8-1.fc10 -
    * quagga-0.99.12-1.fc10 -

=== Fedora 9 Security Advisories ===

    * ipsec-tools-0.7.2-1.fc9 -
    * giflib-4.1.3-10.fc9 -
    * nsd-3.2.2-1.fc9 -

== Virtualization ==

In this section, we cover discussion of Fedora virtualization
technologies on the @et-mgmnt-tools-list, @fedora-xen-list, and
@libvirt-list and lists.

Contributing Writer: Dale Bewley

=== Fedora Virtualization List ===

This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-virt list.

==== Rawhide Virtualization Repository ====

Mark McLoughlin announced[1] the launce of the virt preview
repo(FWN#171[2]). "We've set up a repository for people running Fedora
11 who would like to test the rawhide/F12 virt packages. To use it, do

  $> cat > /etc/yum.repos.d/fedora-virt-preview.repo << EOF
  name=Virtualization Rawhide for Fedora 11
  $> yum update

Adding "this is very much a work-in-progress."

Mark McLoughlin decribed[3] the different types of users consuming these

    * 1) Users who want things to stay stable and who aren't necessarily
    expecting new features until they update to F-12 - these are people
    with just the updates repo enabled 

    * 2) Same as (1) but who are willing to help out testing updates for
    the whole distro in order to catch things before they hit the people
    in category (1) - these people have the updates and updates-testing
    repos enabled 

    * 3) Mostly the same as (1) or (2), but have a specific interest in
    testing new virt features and are willing to deal with virt
    regressions - these people enable the updates, updates-testing and
    preview repos 

    * 4) People who are interested in helping with helping with F-12
    development in general, not just virt - these people run rawhide 

Daniel Berrange added[4] "The virt-preview repo is intended primarily as
an aid to testing / early experimentation. It is not intended for
'production' deployment."

   1.  http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00074.html
   3.  http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00086.html
   4.  http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00081.html

==== No libguestfs on Fedora 10 ====

Ján ONDREJ referenced[1] FWN[2] when asking if Richard Jones would
consider including qemu-0.10 into image:Echo-package-16px.pnglibguestfs
package to satisfy dependencies for Fedora 10.

Richard "had a go at backporting the changes to qemu that we ship in
F-10. qemu in F-10 is based on qemu 0.9, and doesn't include the
vmchannel patch." But "ended up with a qemu which compiled, but kept
segfaulting, and it was tricky to diagnose exactly why."

"Is it really a problem to use the libguestfs[3] and/or qemu[4] packages
from Fedora 11 builds? You can grab the latest builds out of Koji."
"This worked OK for me, although I have now moved to using Fedora
11-Preview, and have mostly abandoned Fedora 10."

Daniel B and Mark Mc concurred, Fedora 11 is the place to get libguestfs

   1.  http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00064.html

==== New Release virt-inspector ====

Richard Jones announced[1] "the first 'really working' version of

"This is a tool based around libguestfs which can inspect a virtual
machine disk image and tell you some interesting things about what's
inside it."

Some of the things virt-inspector can tell you:

    * What operating system(s) are installed, and what distros and
    versions. It currently covers RHEL releases, Fedora releases, Debian
    releases, and has limited support for Windows.
    * How disk partitions are expected to be mounted (eg. /dev/sda1 ->
    * What applications are installed.
    * What kernel(s) are installed.
    * What kernel modules are installed. 

   1.  http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-virt/2009-May/msg00073.html
   2.  http://git.et.redhat.com/?p=libguestfs.git;a=summary 

=== Fedora Xen List ===

This section contains the discussion happening on the fedora-xen list.

==== Xen 3.4.0 Released ====

Pasi Kärkkäinen forwarded[1] an announcement from the Xen list.

"This release contains a number of important new features and updates

    * Device passthrough improvements, with particular emphasis on
    support for client devices (further support is available as part of
    the XCI project[2])
    * RAS[3] features: cpu and memory offlining
    * Power management - improved frequency/voltage controls and
    deep-sleep support. Scheduler and timers optimised for peak power
    * Support for the Viridian (Hyper-V) enlightenment interface
    * Many other x86 and ia64 enhancements and fixes 

Fedora 11 includes Xen version 3.3.1.

   1.  http://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-xen/2009-May/msg00014.html
   2.  http://xenbits.xensource.com/xenclient/

=== Libvirt List ===

This section contains the discussion happening on the libvir-list.

==== Libvirt VMWare ESX Driver In Development ====

Matthias Bolte announced[1] "a project of the Paderborn Center for
Parallel Computing"[2] having "a subgoal is to extend the driver base of
libvirt. We've started an VMware ESX driver and are investigating
Hyper-V support."

"The ESX driver isn't complete yet, currently it supports:"

    * domain lookup by ID, UUID and name
    * domain listing
    * domain suspend and resume
    * domain reboot, if the VMware tools are installed inside the domain
    * domain start and shutdown
    * domain migration 

"We think this code might be useful for others and would be glad if the
driver could be merged into libvirt in medium term." Matthias was met
with enthusiasm from the core libvirt developers.

   1.  http://www.redhat.com/archives/libvir-list/2009-May/msg00431.html
   2.  http://pc2.uni-paderborn.de
  Oisin Feeley

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