[fedora-arm] ARMv7 rootfs/repository?

Gordan Bobic gordan at bobich.net
Thu Dec 23 12:59:28 UTC 2010

Peter Robinson wrote:

>> are you sure the fp arg style is a kernel issue?
>> are there system calls that take floats (not in structs or arrays
>> but as a single argument)?
>>From all the documentation about it seems so. You need to remember
> there's a lot of mainline distros (and I'm not talking about small
> embedded ones) looking to move to arm7 + hardfp but none that have yet
> done so. There's lots of notes and people that have done customer
> recompiles etc for testing and eval purposes but none that have
> actually done it yet across the entire mainline distro to run
> everything from apache to gnome.
>> i could be totally wrong. it just seems almost there...
> Its is but that doesn't mean there's still not a lot of work to do.
> The Fedora ARM team has had issues with gcc / glibc etc just trying to
> get Fedora 13 compiled on on arm5tel. I've seen mention in the thread
> "but it works great with ICC" but you have to remember Fedora is an
> open distro so we're not going to be using a closed compiler to fix
> the problem.

ICC is x86 only. I mentioned it to illustrate that there is so much GCC 
specific stuff in important core libraries like glibc that it is 
unlikely we will get it working with any other compiler any time soon. 
There are actually two problems regarding this:

1) People shouldn't be writing code that isn't portable across compilers.
2) GCC isn't a very good compiler performance-wise - not by a long way.

Once the GCC hardfp issue is resolved (I'm not going to hold my breath - 
I've moaned in the past about various areas of GCC's uselessness (e.g. 
vectorization) and in the past 3 years no meaningful movement has been 
achieved to close the <= 800% FPU performance gap with ICC), I suspect 
it'll lead to having two ARM distros. armv5tel for ARMs without FPU and 
arm7vfp for FPU enabled ARMs. Similar to what we currently have with x86 
and x86_64, only if the ABI is different, arm5tel and arm7 will be 
pretty much distinct separate architectures in terms of software target.

> At the moment we're concentrating on arm5tel as it works
> and we need to get Fedora 14 and rawhide there and its the combination
> that can support the broadest amount of hardware, one that's on the
> road to completion people can and will start looking at a version
> optimised for newer more power HW. Its only in the last week or so the
> team have managed to get enough of F-13 built to be able to compose a
> rootfs for testing it.

Ooo! Any chance of a link to this rootfs and the F13 arm5tel yum repository?


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