[FZH] Fwd: [Ambassadors] FUDCon APAC bids

[microcai]

On 2011年07月03日 02:10, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
> On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance <kaio at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> 
>> 2011/7/1 Tommy He <lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org>
>>
>>> gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
>>>
>>> FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
>>>
>>> 和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？
>>> 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
>>>
>>> 在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。
>>> 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
>>>
>>> 希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。
>>> 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
>>>
>>
>> 我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的
>> FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
>>
>>
>>    1. 工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5 倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
>>
>>    2. 缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI
>>    頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
>>
>>    3. RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
>>
>> 5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者，要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下，只會淪為 “RH
>> 北京主辦”（我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢）；我們不要 yet another RH event，而是 an unique Fedora
>> event！
>>
> 
> 了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感，可是自私的硬要勉強辦，只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
> 
> 我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑，並一直持續下去，再來自信的爭辦好嗎？
> 
> PS：可惜，我並不保證明年，我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
> 
> K410
> 
> 
> 
>>
>>
>> 原文：
>> Hi,
>>
>> I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China community on
>> mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to see
>> the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is no
>> doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of such
>> country and surround regions.
>>
>> Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby supporting
>> India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon this
>> year. These are the my reasons:
>>
>>
>>    1. Lack of local ambassadors - According to
>>    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification ,
>>    there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39 in
>>    India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the head number
>>    only, please see point 2.
>>
>>    2. Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in past
>>    and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just has her
>>    first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with FAmSCo.
>>    As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in wiki
>>    pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation served
>>    for this event than China.
>>
>>    3. Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing) had
>>    not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there had been no
>>    financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for organizing
>>    community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH China
>>    requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but cold or
>>    nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead contacted
>>    directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or Singapore
>>    office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid of FUDCon
>>    2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in open
>>    source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were supported by
>>    Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple of
>>    meetups voluntary only in years.


帝都的 RH 真 TMD 恶心啊！


>>
>> Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely failed
>> if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India and
>> China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon 2011 in
>> China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can be
>> coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their interest in
>> growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no after
>> plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We want a
>> FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
>>
>> My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this year:
>>
>>
>>    1. Recruits more ambassadors
>>    2. Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for talks
>>    3. Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes
>>    4. Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US, Singapore
>>    offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from both
>>    sides
>>    5. Makes all above an iteration
>>
>> Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is
>> necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad to
>> the results and be proud of the transparency.
>>
>> Regards,
>> kaio
>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http://
>> goo.gl/9WWWC
>>  <http://goo.gl/9WWWC>IRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 | Blog:
>> kaio.net
>>
>>
> 
> 


-------------- next part --------------
A non-text attachment was scrubbed...
Name: signature.asc
Type: application/pgp-signature
Size: 490 bytes
Desc: OpenPGP digital signature
Url : http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/chinese/attachments/20110703/7e41c5c7/attachment.bin