[FZH] Fwd: [Ambassadors] FUDCon APAC bids

Sun Jul 3 15:27:57 UTC 2011

求八卦！

On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM, microcai <microcai at fedoraproject.org>wrote:

> On 2011年07月03日 02:10, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
> > On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance <kaio at fedoraproject.org>
> wrote:
> >
> >> 2011/7/1 Tommy He <lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org>
> >>
> >>> gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
> >>>
> >>> FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
> >>>
> >>> 和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？
> >>> 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
> >>>
> >>> 在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。
> >>> 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
> >>>
> >>> 希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。
> >>> 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
> >>>
> >>
> >> 我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的
> >>
> FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
> >>
> >>
> >>    1. 工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5 倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
> >>
> >>    2. 缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI
> >>    頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
> >>
> >>    3. RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
> >>
> >> 5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者，要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下，只會淪為 “RH
> >> 北京主辦”（我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢）；我們不要 yet another RH event，而是 an unique
> Fedora
> >> event！
> >>
> >
> > 了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感，可是自私的硬要勉強辦，只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
> >
> > 我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑，並一直持續下去，再來自信的爭辦好嗎？
> >
> > PS：可惜，我並不保證明年，我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
> >
> > K410
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> 原文：
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China community
> on
> >> mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to
> see
> >> the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is no
> >> doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of
> such
> >> country and surround regions.
> >>
> >> Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby
> supporting
> >> India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon this
> >> year. These are the my reasons:
> >>
> >>
> >>    1. Lack of local ambassadors - According to
> >>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification,
> >>    there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39
> in
> >>    India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the head
> number
> >>    only, please see point 2.
> >>
> >>    2. Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in
> past
> >>    and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just has
> her
> >>    first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with
> FAmSCo.
> >>    As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in
> wiki
> >>    pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation
> served
> >>    for this event than China.
> >>
> >>    3. Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing) had
> >>    not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there had
> been no
> >>    financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for
> organizing
> >>    community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH
> China
> >>    requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but
> cold or
> >>    nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead
> contacted
> >>    directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or
> Singapore
> >>    office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid of
> FUDCon
> >>    2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in
> open
> >>    source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were
> supported by
> >>    Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple of
> >>    meetups voluntary only in years.
>
>
> 帝都的 RH 真 TMD 恶心啊！
>
>
> >>
> >> Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely
> failed
> >> if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India and
> >> China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon 2011
> in
> >> China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can be
> >> coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their
> interest in
> >> growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no
> after
> >> plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We
> want a
> >> FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
> >>
> >> My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this
> year:
> >>
> >>
> >>    1. Recruits more ambassadors
> >>    2. Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for talks
> >>    3. Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes
> >>    4. Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US, Singapore
> >>    offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from
> both
> >>    sides
> >>    5. Makes all above an iteration
> >>
> >> Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is
> >> necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad
> to
> >> the results and be proud of the transparency.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> kaio
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http://
> >> goo.gl/9WWWC
> >>  <http://goo.gl/9WWWC>IRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 |
> Blog:
> >> kaio.net
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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