[FZH] Fwd: [Ambassadors] FUDCon APAC bids

Caius 'kaio' Chance kaio at fedoraproject.org
Sun Jul 3 21:24:14 UTC 2011 

你求微菜寫一篇 “菜菜帝都考試記”。

K410

On 4 July 2011 01:27, Yoda Jahweh <jhwhbd at gmail.com> wrote:

> 求八卦！
>
> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM, microcai <microcai at fedoraproject.org
> >wrote:
>
> > On 2011年07月03日 02:10, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
> > > On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance <kaio at fedoraproject.org>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >> 2011/7/1 Tommy He <lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org>
> > >>
> > >>> gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
> > >>>
> > >>> FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
> > >>>
> > >>> 和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？
> > >>> 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
> > >>>
> > >>> 在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。
> > >>> 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
> > >>>
> > >>> 希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。
> > >>> 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >> 我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的
> > >>
> >
> FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>    1. 工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5
> 倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
> > >>
> > >>    2. 缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI
> > >>    頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
> > >>
> > >>    3. RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
> > >>
> > >> 5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者，要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下，只會淪為 “RH
> > >> 北京主辦”（我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢）；我們不要 yet another RH event，而是 an unique
> > Fedora
> > >> event！
> > >>
> > >
> > > 了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感，可是自私的硬要勉強辦，只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
> > >
> > > 我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑，並一直持續下去，再來自信的爭辦好嗎？
> > >
> > > PS：可惜，我並不保證明年，我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
> > >
> > > K410
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 原文：
> > >> Hi,
> > >>
> > >> I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China
> community
> > on
> > >> mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to
> > see
> > >> the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is
> no
> > >> doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of
> > such
> > >> country and surround regions.
> > >>
> > >> Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby
> > supporting
> > >> India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon
> this
> > >> year. These are the my reasons:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>    1. Lack of local ambassadors - According to
> > >>
> >
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification,
> > >>    there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39
> > in
> > >>    India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the
> head
> > number
> > >>    only, please see point 2.
> > >>
> > >>    2. Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in
> > past
> > >>    and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just
> has
> > her
> > >>    first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with
> > FAmSCo.
> > >>    As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in
> > wiki
> > >>    pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation
> > served
> > >>    for this event than China.
> > >>
> > >>    3. Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing)
> had
> > >>    not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there
> had
> > been no
> > >>    financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for
> > organizing
> > >>    community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH
> > China
> > >>    requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but
> > cold or
> > >>    nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead
> > contacted
> > >>    directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or
> > Singapore
> > >>    office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid
> of
> > FUDCon
> > >>    2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in
> > open
> > >>    source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were
> > supported by
> > >>    Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple
> of
> > >>    meetups voluntary only in years.
> >
> >
> > 帝都的 RH 真 TMD 恶心啊！
> >
> >
> > >>
> > >> Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely
> > failed
> > >> if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India
> and
> > >> China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon
> 2011
> > in
> > >> China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can
> be
> > >> coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their
> > interest in
> > >> growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no
> > after
> > >> plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We
> > want a
> > >> FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
> > >>
> > >> My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this
> > year:
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>    1. Recruits more ambassadors
> > >>    2. Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for
> talks
> > >>    3. Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes
> > >>    4. Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US,
> Singapore
> > >>    offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from
> > both
> > >>    sides
> > >>    5. Makes all above an iteration
> > >>
> > >> Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is
> > >> necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad
> > to
> > >> the results and be proud of the transparency.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> kaio
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http://
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> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> >
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