[FZH] Fwd: [Ambassadors] FUDCon APAC bids

Simon Yan simonyan at fedoraproject.org
Mon Jul 4 06:37:15 UTC 2011


其实我同意Kaio的。
从人气上我觉得就要输一大截。
Fedora的华人圈子似乎不够活跃。社区活跃度应该是支撑此类活动的基础。(之一)
接下来我觉得还是好好思考如何在华人圈子里面推广Fedora来的实际。

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Caius 'kaio' Chance
<kaio at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> 你求微菜寫一篇 “菜菜帝都考試記”。
>
> K410
>
> On 4 July 2011 01:27, Yoda Jahweh <jhwhbd at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> 求八卦!
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM, microcai <microcai at fedoraproject.org
>> >wrote:
>>
>> > On 2011年07月03日 02:10, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
>> > > On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance <kaio at fedoraproject.org>
>> > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> 2011/7/1 Tommy He <lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org>
>> > >>
>> > >>> gbraad 给我发信后一直没回,因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里?
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么?
>> > >>> 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们,应该问问自己这样的问题。
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 在 Bid 页面上,有 Mozilla China,有 China Mobile,就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。
>> > >>> 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
>> > >>>
>> > >>> 希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节,具有吸引力的。
>> > >>> 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ?
>> > >>>
>> > >>
>> > >> 我作了一個深入的思考,結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的
>> > >>
>> >
>> FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了,以下為原文和中文提要;我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題,而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>    1. 工作人員不足:只有 6 位大使,加上香港 4 人才 10 人;印度 40 人的規模,5
>> 倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
>> > >>
>> > >>    2. 缺乏活動經驗:梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序,連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON?印度 WIKI
>> > >>    頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容,保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
>> > >>
>> > >>    3. RH CN 沒有支持:多年來都沒有支持社區,一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
>> > >>
>> > >> 5 X 2,要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者,要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下,只會淪為 “RH
>> > >> 北京主辦”(我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢);我們不要 yet another RH event,而是 an unique
>> > Fedora
>> > >> event!
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > > 了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感,可是自私的硬要勉強辦,只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
>> > >
>> > > 我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑,並一直持續下去,再來自信的爭辦好嗎?
>> > >
>> > > PS:可惜,我並不保證明年,我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
>> > >
>> > > K410
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> 原文:
>> > >> Hi,
>> > >>
>> > >> I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China
>> community
>> > on
>> > >> mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to
>> > see
>> > >> the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is
>> no
>> > >> doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of
>> > such
>> > >> country and surround regions.
>> > >>
>> > >> Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby
>> > supporting
>> > >> India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon
>> this
>> > >> year. These are the my reasons:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>    1. Lack of local ambassadors - According to
>> > >>
>> >
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification,
>> > >>    there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39
>> > in
>> > >>    India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the
>> head
>> > number
>> > >>    only, please see point 2.
>> > >>
>> > >>    2. Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in
>> > past
>> > >>    and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just
>> has
>> > her
>> > >>    first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with
>> > FAmSCo.
>> > >>    As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in
>> > wiki
>> > >>    pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation
>> > served
>> > >>    for this event than China.
>> > >>
>> > >>    3. Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing)
>> had
>> > >>    not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there
>> had
>> > been no
>> > >>    financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for
>> > organizing
>> > >>    community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH
>> > China
>> > >>    requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but
>> > cold or
>> > >>    nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead
>> > contacted
>> > >>    directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or
>> > Singapore
>> > >>    office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid
>> of
>> > FUDCon
>> > >>    2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in
>> > open
>> > >>    source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were
>> > supported by
>> > >>    Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple
>> of
>> > >>    meetups voluntary only in years.
>> >
>> >
>> > 帝都的 RH 真 TMD 恶心啊!
>> >
>> >
>> > >>
>> > >> Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely
>> > failed
>> > >> if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India
>> and
>> > >> China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon
>> 2011
>> > in
>> > >> China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can
>> be
>> > >> coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their
>> > interest in
>> > >> growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no
>> > after
>> > >> plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We
>> > want a
>> > >> FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
>> > >>
>> > >> My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this
>> > year:
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>    1. Recruits more ambassadors
>> > >>    2. Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for
>> talks
>> > >>    3. Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes
>> > >>    4. Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US,
>> Singapore
>> > >>    offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from
>> > both
>> > >>    sides
>> > >>    5. Makes all above an iteration
>> > >>
>> > >> Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is
>> > >> necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad
>> > to
>> > >> the results and be proud of the transparency.
>> > >>
>> > >> Regards,
>> > >> kaio
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >> Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http://
>> > >> goo.gl/9WWWC
>> > >>  <http://goo.gl/9WWWC>IRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 |
>> > Blog:
>> > >> kaio.net
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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