[FZH] Fwd: [Ambassadors] FUDCon APAC bids

Tommy He lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org
Mon Jul 4 06:49:33 UTC 2011 

If FUDCon won't happen this year in Beijing, let's have a #FAD
instead. We are long way behind India on organizing community offline
activity.

如果今年 FUDCon 不在北京，那么我们来个 FAD Fedora 活动日吧！相比印度，对于这方面社区活动组织的经验我们太缺乏了。

TBH, we should rise this topic earlier.

说句实话，如果我们能再早一些讨论这个话题就好了。

On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Simon Yan <simonyan at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> 其实我同意Kaio的。
> 从人气上我觉得就要输一大截。
> Fedora的华人圈子似乎不够活跃。社区活跃度应该是支撑此类活动的基础。（之一）
> 接下来我觉得还是好好思考如何在华人圈子里面推广Fedora来的实际。
>
> On Mon, Jul 4, 2011 at 5:24 AM, Caius 'kaio' Chance
> <kaio at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> 你求微菜寫一篇 “菜菜帝都考試記”。
>>
>> K410
>>
>> On 4 July 2011 01:27, Yoda Jahweh <jhwhbd at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> 求八卦！
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jul 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM, microcai <microcai at fedoraproject.org
>>> >wrote:
>>>
>>> > On 2011年07月03日 02:10, Caius 'kaio' Chance wrote:
>>> > > On 3 July 2011 03:59, Caius 'kaio' Chance <kaio at fedoraproject.org>
>>> > wrote:
>>> > >
>>> > >> 2011/7/1 Tommy He <lovenemesis at fedoraproject.org>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>> gbraad 给我发信后一直没回，因为最近几天一直在思考这个问题：
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> FUDCon 吸引朝内子民的原因的地方在哪里？
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 和来自全球各地的 Fedora 用户和开发人员交流什么？
>>> > >>> 尤其是各位贡献者朋友们，应该问问自己这样的问题。
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 在 Bid 页面上，有 Mozilla China，有 China Mobile，就是缺乏 Fedora 中文区的东西。
>>> > >>> 最不想看到的结果是 FUDCon Beijing is Just Another FUDCon Asia。
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>> 希望大家可以一起想想那些展现 Fedora 中文的 Topic 以期做为会议期间的环节，具有吸引力的。
>>> > >>> 比如 microcai 的 Linux kernel UTF-8 ？
>>> > >>>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 我作了一個深入的思考，結論還是不贊成北京舉辦今年的
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> FUDCon。我把它寫成英文回覆到大使列表了，以下為原文和中文提要；我覺得這不是要不要支持自己人的問題，而是我們今年勉強硬來辦的話失敗的風險實在太大了：
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>    1. 工作人員不足：只有 6 位大使，加上香港 4 人才 10 人；印度 40 人的規模，5
>>> 倍人力。我們顧一個攤位的人力都可能剛剛好。
>>> > >>
>>> > >>    2. 缺乏活動經驗：梁牛最近的 FAD 才第一次使用了經費報銷程序，連 FAD 都是初辦怎樣應付幾百人的 FUDCON？印度 WIKI
>>> > >>    頁演講主題和註冊參與者的內容，保守估計印度比中國準備是 2 倍以上吧。
>>> > >>
>>> > >>    3. RH CN 沒有支持：多年來都沒有支持社區，一聽到可能在北京辦就瘋了馬上來爭風說幫忙。
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 5 X 2，要在中國辦的難度有比在印度辦高於 10 倍。再者，要是在中國辧在缺乏本地貢獻者的前提下，只會淪為 “RH
>>> > >> 北京主辦”（我真的相信會有這一行出現在某些宣傳材料中呢）；我們不要 yet another RH event，而是 an unique
>>> > Fedora
>>> > >> event！
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > > 了解帝都能辦 FUDCON 是充滿光榮感，可是自私的硬要勉強辦，只會蹧蹋每年一度的 FUDCon。
>>> > >
>>> > > 我們壓根心裏沒底。好好的用這一年多招大使、多辦活動、多提升技術水平、盡力建立與 RH 的橋樑，並一直持續下去，再來自信的爭辦好嗎？
>>> > >
>>> > > PS：可惜，我並不保證明年，我還有沒有像發揮今年的作用。XD
>>> > >
>>> > > K410
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> 原文：
>>> > >> Hi,
>>> > >>
>>> > >> I had been reading this thread along, discussed with the China
>>> community
>>> > on
>>> > >> mailing lists and during our weekly meetings. This is not surprised to
>>> > see
>>> > >> the APAC countries with the most population are making the bid. It is
>>> no
>>> > >> doubt that which bid won to hold FUDCon, will benefit the community of
>>> > such
>>> > >> country and surround regions.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Personally, even I am a member of Chinese community, I am hereby
>>> > supporting
>>> > >> India for FUDCon 2011. China is just not ready for having a FUDCon
>>> this
>>> > >> year. These are the my reasons:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>    1. Lack of local ambassadors - According to
>>> > >>
>>> >
>>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors/MembershipService/Verification,
>>> > >>    there are only 6 (10 if Hong Kong FAms are included). Compare to 39
>>> > in
>>> > >>    India, it is approximately 5 times difference. This is just the
>>> head
>>> > number
>>> > >>    only, please see point 2.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>    2. Lack of FUDCon (even FAD) experience - India has done FUDCon in
>>> > past
>>> > >>    and several FAD are happening throughout the year. And China just
>>> has
>>> > her
>>> > >>    first FAD (at Guang Zhou) which went the reimbursement process with
>>> > FAmSCo.
>>> > >>    As it can be shown from the quantity and quality of information in
>>> > wiki
>>> > >>    pages of both bids, conservatively India has 2 times of preparation
>>> > served
>>> > >>    for this event than China.
>>> > >>
>>> > >>    3. Lack of supports from Red Hat - Red Hat China Office (Beijing)
>>> had
>>> > >>    not supported domestic Fedora activities for years. AFAIK, there
>>> had
>>> > been no
>>> > >>    financial/swag/people supports ever from Beijing office for
>>> > organizing
>>> > >>    community activities. Fedora Chinese User Group (FZUG) contacted RH
>>> > China
>>> > >>    requested collaboration to boost the growth of Fedora community but
>>> > cold or
>>> > >>    nil response received. Some of the FZUG members / FAms instead
>>> > contacted
>>> > >>    directly to Community Architecture Team in RH US headquarter or
>>> > Singapore
>>> > >>    office for assistance. Now when Beijing office heard about the bid
>>> of
>>> > FUDCon
>>> > >>    2011 and becomes extremely excited to promote their "exposure" in
>>> > open
>>> > >>    source community, eagerly offers hands. Remember, no FAD were
>>> > supported by
>>> > >>    Beijing office ever except a couple of her staff attended a couple
>>> of
>>> > >>    meetups voluntary only in years.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 帝都的 RH 真 TMD 恶心啊！
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Above reasons justify the great risk that FUDCon will be very likely
>>> > failed
>>> > >> if it is held in China this year. In terms of the gap between India
>>> and
>>> > >> China in width and depth, the difficulty to make successful FUDCon
>>> 2011
>>> > in
>>> > >> China is 10+ times higher than in India. Assume the point 1 and 2 can
>>> be
>>> > >> coped at the end, I do doubt that RH China office can keep their
>>> > interest in
>>> > >> growth of community after the event. An one off fragile event with no
>>> > after
>>> > >> plan to sustain the heat, is a waste of annual FUDCon APAC chance. We
>>> > want a
>>> > >> FUDCon for Fedora event, not a RH event.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> My suggestions is let India do FUDCon 2011, and China's focus on this
>>> > year:
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >>    1. Recruits more ambassadors
>>> > >>    2. Raises technical levels of contributors/users/developers for
>>> talks
>>> > >>    3. Organizes FADs with media, swags, reimbursement processes
>>> > >>    4. Build up the link between community and RH China (w/ US,
>>> Singapore
>>> > >>    offices are just not enough!), but this involve participation from
>>> > both
>>> > >>    sides
>>> > >>    5. Makes all above an iteration
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Yes, China still need to compete among other bids in 2012, so it is
>>> > >> necessary to act right now. Good luck to India and China, will be glad
>>> > to
>>> > >> the results and be proud of the transparency.
>>> > >>
>>> > >> Regards,
>>> > >> kaio
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >> --
>>> > >> Regards ☺ Caius 'kaio' Chance - Fedora Project Contributor http://
>>> > >> goo.gl/9WWWC
>>> > >>  <http://goo.gl/9WWWC>IRC: kaio @ freenode | Twitter/Weibo: @K410 |
>>> > Blog:
>>> > >> kaio.net
>>> > >>
>>> > >>
>>> > >
>>> > >
>>> >
>>> >
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