help needed

Andy Grimm agrimm at
Fri Mar 30 23:39:26 UTC 2012

Further attempting to localize the problem, I found a pickled form of
the metadata in /var/lib/cloud/instances/i-325d4c56/obj.pkl which
included the public ssh key, so it's definitely getting the data from
the metadata service.

On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Andy Grimm <agrimm at> wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 30, 2012 at 5:35 PM, Tim Flink <tflink at> wrote:
>> On Fri, 30 Mar 2012 16:54:47 -0400
>> Andy Grimm <agrimm at> wrote:
>>> Of those differences, I suspect that lack of a zeroconf route
>>> ( is probably preventing access to the metadata
>>> service.  Further, I believe the reason is related to the addition of
>>> NetworkManager in the F17 AMI (because the zeroconf route is typically
>>> added via the ifcfg-eth script, which NM does not run).  Before I go
>>> hacking further, is there a particular reason that we switched to
>>> using NetworkManager in the F17 AMI?
>> NM was added to core as a fix for a F17 bug where the network wouldn't
>> come up by default in a minimal install:
>>  -
>> The decision was made to add NM to core because it doesn't add many
>> extra packages and as NM adds more and more features, it doesn't make
>> much sense to keep hacking the old network service in for minimal
>> installs. The full details of "why" are in the bug, if you're
>> interested.
> Ok, I've been on the CC list for that bug for a long time, but I
> missed that they actually made a decision.  I'll just bite my tongue
> on that one; at least it's not completely broken anymore.
>> maxamillion did a good job of summing up some of the you can do about
>> removing/replacing NM for a regular system in his blog post:
> Thanks for that link!
>>> Would removing it be the wrong solution, and if so, is there a quick
>>> way to ensure that NM initializes a zeroconf route?
>> That is certainly possible, the network service still works. It just
>> made more sense to use NM for non-cloud minimal installs.
>> I'll leave the discussion of the best way to deal with NM/network to
>> people who are far more qualified than I am. Just figured I would add
>> in the answer to "why did this change?"
> As it turns out, I just booted an Ubuntu Oneiric instance, and it does
> not have a zeroconf route, but is still able to access the metadata
> service, so it looks like this was a red herring.  Back to the drawing
> board.
> --Andy
>> Tim
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