do we want `less` and `man` in the default cloud image?

[Bill Nottingham]

Matthew Miller (mattdm at fedoraproject.org) said: 
> Continuing a discussion with gholms on IRC. There's a general question of
> how minimal we want the cloud image to be overall. I'd like to make it
> reasonably small (where reasonable is some hand-wavy value), but we're not
> ever going to be a stripped down TinyLinux or Damn Small Linux.
> 
> Garrett makes the point that the Fedora images should "feel like Fedora". We
> can probably discuss what exactly that means, but, okay, I can see that as a
> basic principle to weigh against "as tiny as possible". He also mentioned
> earlier that he has gotten feedback that people like to have man pages
> available. Right now, we're shipping about 6.2MB (on-disk) of man pages,
> but, um, no man browser. Adding man would add about 8.8M on-disk, as it
> pulls in groff and less. (Less is relatively tiny -- groff is the big
> thing.) *
> 
> 
> I really like having less around. I pretty much miss it on every system
> where it isn't installed. And installing all those man pages with no way to
> look at them seems silly.
> 
> Thoughts? Non-binding votes?

There was a request to add less explictly to the minimal install a while ago -
in assorted earlier releases it was pulled in indirectly via a dependency from
gzip (!).

> * Footnote: I see that groff is split into groff-base and groff, with the
> former being "only necessary parts of groff formatting system which are
> required to display manual pages, and the groff's default display device
> (PostScript)". But, man requires less, and less requires the main groff
> package.  So if we fix that, total impact is 4.6MB.

Why does less reqiure the main groff package? Is that an accident?

Bill