do we want `less` and `man` in the default cloud image?

[Bill Nottingham]

Garrett Holmstrom (gholms at fedoraproject.org) said: 
> On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Matthew Miller
> <mattdm at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > Continuing a discussion with gholms on IRC. There's a general question of
> > how minimal we want the cloud image to be overall. I'd like to make it
> > reasonably small (where reasonable is some hand-wavy value), but we're not
> > ever going to be a stripped down TinyLinux or Damn Small Linux.
> >
> > Garrett makes the point that the Fedora images should "feel like Fedora". We
> > can probably discuss what exactly that means, but, okay, I can see that as a
> > basic principle to weigh against "as tiny as possible". He also mentioned
> > earlier that he has gotten feedback that people like to have man pages
> > available. Right now, we're shipping about 6.2MB (on-disk) of man pages,
> > but, um, no man browser. Adding man would add about 8.8M on-disk, as it
> > pulls in groff and less. (Less is relatively tiny -- groff is the big
> > thing.) *
> >
> >
> > I really like having less around. I pretty much miss it on every system
> > where it isn't installed. And installing all those man pages with no way to
> > look at them seems silly.
> >
> > Thoughts? Non-binding votes?
> 
> The groff dependency is a bit unfortunate, but now that there's a bug
> for it I'm less concerned about it.  Man pages aren't particularly
> useful without a reader.  I suspect people have come to expect pagers,
> too.  So I'm in favor of that.  ;-)

There *is* a page in the minimal install, but I suspect no one has their
fingers trained to automatically pipe things through more instead of less.

Bill