Cloud image use cases

Haïkel hguemar at
Fri Jul 10 16:04:54 UTC 2015

2015-07-10 17:59 GMT+02:00 Matt Micene <nzwulfin at>:

> So what I'm really after is what sets Fedora Cloud apart from every
>> other distro cloud image.  What usecases is it better at than {Ubuntu,
>> SuSE, <whatever>}.
> Given that logic, Fedora should stop everything but Atomic.  The Cloud
> image should be Fedora optimized for the cloud instance experience, just
> like Workstation is Fedora optimized for the desktop user experience. It
> shouldn't be massively different for Cloud than Server, b/c the use case
> between Server and Cloud isn't that large.
> Fedora should have a "typical" answer for what use cases are better than
> XYZ distro, that isn't dependent on a (frankly) edge use case like a
> container specific platform.  Atomic is a new and interesting thing, with a
> very small and specific purpose and design.  That's a good thing and
> shouldn't be used as an argument against the Cloud image.  Or even as a
> comparison.
>> > Depends: for end-users, it could mean a smaller bill each month on
>> storage.
> I'm not a fan of this argument for minimizing the Cloud experience as the
> real cost of "magnetic" storage in most cloud providers is small.  If
> pulling Python saves 1GB of on disk installed OS space, then users in a AWS
> environment save $0.24 a month / server in the most expensive storage in
> the most expensive region (Sao Paolo if you're curious).  And I'm sure we
> aren't shaving that much off the image.  I have to think the level of
> engineering required to majorly redesign things around minimization efforts
> are likely mis-placed if end user cost is the main metric.
Multiply this by the number of instances, and it could amount to few
thousands dollars per month.
More globally, our cloud image is still too fat compared to other distros
by a large margin.

> That's where the Stack&Env WG work is important for us, as it could become
>> an asset against our other offers.
> This ^^^  I'm a firm believer that the SCL work that got dropped is a huge
> value when we want to talk about differentiating Fedora as a Cloud or
> Server platform.  The ability to cleanly separate system requirements from
> end-user platforms is huge.  I think the Cloud SIG should be jumping up and
> down on getting SCLs back on track.
> - Matt M
Well, SCL is another topic (to remain polite), and I'm more than happy to
let Stack&Env WG
dealing with that matter.

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