Fedora 22 is out, Fedora 23 is coming :)

Matt Micene nzwulfin at gmail.com
Tue Jun 2 16:55:13 UTC 2015

Then maybe it's just a terminology issue, I'm aware of the different Base
projects under the Cloud SIG, but it's not always clear in email which Base
is being discussed.

Unless the two bullets in the list apply to the Cloud Base, which I'd then

- Matt M

On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 12:28 PM, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky <znmeb at znmeb.net>

> On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 8:19 AM, Matt Micene <nzwulfin at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I'm curious about the drive to make the "base cloud image" as small as
> > possible and remove things like the Python stack.  It could be that I've
> got
> > a terminology issue (which also could be the case) tracking threads.
> >
> > What's the expected use of the "base cloud image"?  The relevant download
> > page states:
> > "Everything you need, and nothing you don't."
> > "images for creating general purpose virtual machines (VMs)"
> >
> > The drive to a small as possible and stripped down base image doesn't
> make
> > sense to me in that context.  General purpose compute for a modern system
> > would include things like dnf, python, full logging capabilities,
> without a
> > need to add a large number of packages.
> >
> > If the drive to make the base image as small as possible is for docker
> > containers (as I've seen in other threads), there already exists a Docker
> > Base image.
> >
> > What is base functionality in a container isn't the same as base
> > functionality for a general purpose system in AWS or OpenStack.
> >
> > I guess I'm saying I'd like to be clear when we are talking about Cloud
> Base
> > vs Docker Base and make sure the relationship between them is clear and
> the
> > goals for each are clear.  Especially where changes could harm adoption
> > (Cloud Images without Python in AWS would be bad ).
> >
> > -Matt M
> There are two-and-a-half "Cloud" images:
> 1. Docker Base: this is a "minimum viable Fedora" and is usually run
> via 'docker pull' from Docker Hub, where it goes by the name
> 'docker.io/fedora:22'. Currently it's 186.5 MB. It has dnf, which
> depends on Python. I don't think you can remove Python but I believe
> there are no Perl or Ruby dependencies in it.
> 2. Cloud Base: this lives in a Platform-as-a-Service environment and
> IIRC is a stripped-down Server. It can host containers but IIRC it can
> do more. I've never used Cloud Base but I'm pretty sure it has dnf and
> Python.
> 2.5. Project Atomic: this was released in Fedora 22 but the project
> team has decoupled from Fedora's main six-month cycle in favor of a
> faster two-week release cycle. It uses rpm-ostree to manage RPMs
> rather than dnf so it may not need Python. It's mainly for hosting
> Docker containers, and its main end user is the OpenShift
> Platform-as-a-Service.
> So I don't think there's any risk that an AWS Fedora won't have
> Python. However, I believe there's a move to guarantee that all
> Python-dependent software runs with Python 3 and only the Python 3
> runtime is present on Fedora Cloud products.
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