Atomic 2 week releases

[Josh Boyer]

On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 6:37 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Adam Miller
> <maxamillion at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Joe Brockmeier <jzb at redhat.com> wrote:
>>> On 03/10/2015 02:53 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>>>> So, I'm wondering if for F22 (or F23, if we feel like that ship is out
>>>> in the harbor losing sight of land already), we want to do one of two
>>>> things:
>>>>
>>>> A. Move Atomic out of the Cloud Edition, and treat it as a spin, with a
>>>>    home at "http://atomic.fedoraproject.org/" (not currently valid),
>>>>    similar to http://kde.fedoraproject.org -- with its own design, theming,
>>>>    etc.
>>>>
>>>>    Here, the Cloud WG / Cloud SIG would focus more on cloud/virt-guest
>>>>    issues, and possible also cloud infrastructure (openstack,
>>>>    eucalyptus, etc., which we have kind of let fall to the wayside).
>>>>    The Cloud Base image would be the primary Fedora Edition, and Fedora
>>>>    Atomic would be more ... stand-alone.
>>>>
>>>> B. The other way around: double down on Atomic as the primary thing the
>>>>    Cloud WG releases as the Fedora cloud product. Here, the focus would be
>>>>    more on containers as the basis for the future of "cattle-style"
>>>>    scale-out computing, and Atomic as Fedora's cool solution for that.
>>>>    The Cloud Base image would be the one changed into a spin -- after
>>>>    all, going back to the Lego metaphor for the Fedora editions, the
>>>>    products are supposed to be focused on "batteries included"
>>>>    solutions, and while an awesome building block, the minimal base
>>>>    doesn't quite do that.
>>>>
>>>> C. Nah, keep doing the two different things and present in parallel, as
>>>>    we've been doing.
>>>
>>> Let's discuss this at this week's meeting? My gut is to pursue Atomic as
>>> a spin (A) rather than asking the Cloud WG to double-down on Atomic, but
>>> maybe the rest of the Working Group feels differently...
>>>
>>
>> FWIW +1 for Spin (A)
>
> Please consider this in-depth.  A Spin might sound good for a number
> of reasons and those might be the most important factor.  However at
> the moment with Atomic being a deliverable of the Cloud Edition, its
> placement in the various websites and promotion is rather high.  The
> Spins are not at the same level as the Editions in terms of reach and
> impact.  Atomic could make its own promotion through various means,
> but get.fedoraproject.org is not going to list Workstation, Server,
> Cloud, and Atomic if it moves to a Spin.
>
> I know Stephen is working on how Spins and other non-Edition images
> are dealt with, and the Council is very interested in this as well.
> That isn't in place yet, and to be honest I would be surprised if it
> was for F22 at all.  Perhaps Atomic has enough momentum that a change
> here won't matter, but it is at least something everyone should be
> aware of.

Addendum:

For all I know, Atomic might be such a hot ticket item in the Cloud
world that moving it to a Spin would detract from the Fedora Cloud
Edition itself.  I was not meaning to imply one way or another that
Atomic is reliant on Cloud or vice versa.  I simply want to point out
the less technical aspects of such a move.

josh