[DISCUSS] Cloud and Server Workgroup relationship

Matt Micene nzwulfin at gmail.com
Tue Nov 3 14:46:43 UTC 2015

I think this highlights the problem we're currently seeing with the Fedora
Cloud Base adoption

On 10/28/2015 07:42 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Actually, I don't think that's true. Take a look at "fr1st p0st":
> >
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/cloud/2010-January/000001.html

There is no singular Fedora release anymore, so what are people getting
when they install Cloud Base?  The `cloudtoserver` script essentially
disables cloud-init and installs Fedora Server.  So what's in the Cloud
Base box when we say it's the "base building block of the Fedora flavors"?
What was the point of creating use case editions and not using them in the

I really don't want the answer  [ ;-) ] b/c I think the right answer
*should be* Fedora Server + required platform elements (cloud-init,
cloud-initramfs-tools, etc).  The Cloud base didn't change when the rest of
Fedora did, and it should have.  I see "cloud" as a platform like ARM and
the use case for a Cloud Base image the same as any other server OS running
in such a platform.  I don't believe that folks working in cloud
environments need a super minimal install everything OS for what they do.

Regardless of which SIG owns the work, I believe that the Cloud Base build
and the Server build should be very tightly coupled.  The edition should be
Fedora Server, the ever shrinking minimal install target is a red herring,
and the Cloud focus is making a Server "spin" (not sure if this is
qualifies officially) for a known set IaaS providers.

I also think the Cloud Base could do with a bit of market research to see
what other distros are providing in those IaaS platforms so we can avoid
chasing geese.

-Matt M
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