governance, fesco, board, etc.

[Ralf Corsepius]

On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 15:37 +0200, Axel Thimm wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 01:51:26PM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > On Tue, 2007-06-12 at 11:49 +0200, Axel Thimm wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jun 12, 2007 at 11:05:57AM +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > > > > > ATM, I am seeing to many "dark room" decisions taking
> > > > > > effect, which are not in the community's interest.
> > > Prominent community members have been doing (and still do) just as
> > > much backstage talking as RH people. Anyway this is another story.
> 
> > I know and don't see what would be wrong about it.
> 
> So when RH talks behind your back it's wrong, but when non-RH does the
> same it's OK?
Did I ever say this?

> > What RH still doesn't seem to want to accept: To the same extend the
> > community depends on RH, Fedora and RH depend on the community.
> 
> I'm sure everybody is aware of this fruitful symbiosis.
So let's shutdown Fedora -- Wakeup Axel, .... this is the core of it all !!!

> > Frankly speaking, I think, most community contributors probably don't
> > care at all what how RH, FESCo etc. do, as long as Fedora's
> > infrastructure and objectives fit into their demands.
> 
> Well, that goes w/o saying. Same applies to your local goverment. And
> if the leadership is not visible then that speaks in favour of a
> project.
With one difference: If a democratic government does a bad job it won't
be re-elected, a totalitarian regime tries to continue.

> > For me, they increasingly diverge, I meanwhile consider the
> > side-effects of the merger as obstacle.
> 
> Which side-effects?
koji, bodhi, rel-eng, fedora-testing, the ongoing passivity of Core wrt.
fixing their bugs, ...

> The FPC is part of fesco if you like.
Not in my view. FPC is a technical committee, FESCO is a political one
and therefore still has the final say.

>  They are an subordinate group
> with many fesco members inside.
This doesn't matter wrt. FPC, nor does your personal party membership
nor religious belief matter. Technical qualification should matter.

Ralf