governance, fesco, board, etc.

[Jesse Keating]

On Thursday 14 June 2007 08:01:37 Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> > I have to call BS on this one.
>
> Ask yourself. Is anything about this really working?

Yes, for many things and many cases things are working quite well.  There are 
some rough spots, nobody is saying it's perfect, but to say that it's 
completely non-functional is just bologna.

> Just today, a kernel without its infrastructure (broken deps) has been
> released.

Yes, dep checking on the updates tree is something that is in need of work.  
It is a feature that is yet to be implemented.  Care to help?

> Yesterday, I found a bug in your new mock release candidate ... and
> wanted to reject this package of yours in bodhi, but I could not find
> any means to reject this package (seemingly pending something I presume
> to be a release queue).

FESCo / QA / rel-eng has yet to create/approve any reasonable guidance for 
updates.  There are many like /you/ that would prefer there were no 
roadblocks whatsoever and maintainers would be allowed to push whatever they 
want whenever they want.  And yet now you're looking for a way to /stop/ an 
update?

Why don't you help us figure out what a reasonable work flow is for creating 
update candidates, getting them into testing (the mock you tested wasn't even 
released to updates-testing yet, you snaked it from CVS), allowing or 
disallowing random maintainers from "blocking" a release, etc...   You did 
the right thing this time by filing a bug report.  You also could have left a 
comment in the Bodhi page for this update, however that isn't very well 
advertised as it isn't generally accepted that this is the proper way to 
gather input.

We've released the tool and are making use of it in the best we can to get 
updates out for the release.  Now that the tool is out there and usable, now 
is the time to get more input on how it should be fine tuned and how we can 
make the workflow better.  If we had waited for every committee to hash out 
over every workflow item we'd still not have an update tool, let alone a 
release.  Luke asked for feedback quite often and the bodhi code/test stuff 
has been up for a while, but as usual nobody yells until something goes into 
production.

> Now you come along an swear at me?

I'm sorry you don't like my abbreviated language.  The rest of us don't like 
your un-abbreviated extremely rude and brash attitude.

-- 
Jesse Keating
Release Engineer: Fedora
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