Tying threads together.

[Robyn Bergeron]

On 02/17/2012 01:34 PM, Thorsten Leemhuis wrote:
> Hi!
>
> it has been some time since I wrote to this list. Nevertheless I'd like
> to add two quick comments ;-)
>
> On 15.02.2012 18:58, María Leandro wrote:
>> El 15 de febrero de 2012 12:30, Robyn Bergeron<rbergero at redhat.com
>> <mailto:rbergero at redhat.com>>  escribió:
>>
>> Just as Mo said with Mailing lists, also our wiki needs a bit of
>> arrangement. If a new contributor needs something that is not point out
>> on frontpage will get lost into a complete mess that is ok for regular
>> contributors, but not for new users.
> +1 -- I sometimes wondered if the wiki should be split into two: one
> that targets users and one that is for contributors. That distinction
> might makes a few things harder, but a lot of others easier. For
> example, right now ordinary users that use the wiki search often get
> search results for pages that are only of interest for contributors and
> thus make their life unnecessary hard.
Even experienced contributors that use the wiki search sometimes want to 
chew off their hands and cry. :) (I know myself that I usually prefer 
using google to search for things on the wiki rather than using the wiki 
search.)

I don't know about necessarily "splitting" it into two wikis - I think 
there is just a ton of information that winds up affecting both groups.  
One of the great things about the wiki is that it's probably one of the 
easiest ways for for an end user to begin to contribute  -- essentially 
helping them to cross over the mental barrier of learning that they can 
contribute in ways that are not just "writing code," that they can truly 
participate, etc. -- and my worry would be that we start to create 
walled gardens, or isolate one group from another. Perhaps I'm just 
paranoid though. :)

Perhaps there's a way to optimize the wiki search - by selecting "for 
contributors" or "for end users" - etc. I would think that a lot of what 
end users want to see is pointed to from the front wiki page -- which 
makes me wonder if we really have a lot of end users searching the wiki, 
or if they're just landing on wiki pages via google searches, etc.

Do we have a way to see what people have been looking for in the wiki? 
Or is that all privacy-ish? (And thus - going and seeing if what they're 
hitting is remotely relevant, up to date, etc.?) How do people wind up 
landing on pages that they land on?

> And it would make clear which pages are good for translation (those
> targeting users) and which not (most of those that are for developers
> I'd say). Outdated translations of contributors docs is something that
> confused me a few times already and one of the reasons why I wrote this
> mail. Because just today a colleague of mine got confused because this
> wiki change
> https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Features%2FF17BtrfsDefaultFs&action=historysubmit&diff=270634&oldid=268782
> was not yet transferred to
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/F17BtrfsDefaultFs/it
That one is probably on me -- I didn't really realize that (a) there was 
a lone feature page translated into italian (b) that category changes 
don't follow across translated versions of a page.

> it's just a details, but those small inconsistencies can easily confuse
> journalists ;-)
>
> Cu
>   knurd
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