[board] #9: board vote on reorganization proposals

[Carl Trieloff]

Matt, do you want me to express a vote even though I'm not on the board
/ counted vote?

I have not given this.
Carl.



On 09/09/2014 12:01 PM, board wrote:
> #9: board vote on reorganization proposals
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>  Reporter:  mattdm   |       Owner:
>    Status:  new      |    Priority:  normal
> Component:  General  |  Resolution:
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> Comment (by cwickert):
>
>  A: +1
>  B: 0
>  C: +1
>
>  * A: Council representatives should not only be elected on a elected at
>  the committee level, but also the
>  * A: Council should not only be advisory to the FPL but members should
>  vote about issues. FPL strives for consensus, has the casting vote and
>  veto powers. Basically just like today; I don't want to change the role of
>  the FPL but I'm afraid the wording or the proposal makes it sound too
>  powerful.
>  * A: Even in the Flock proposal, we should investigate additional
>  governance roles originally suggested in proposal B, in particular more
>  direct handling of community budget.
>  * A: On the other hand, the council should hand over certain tasks to
>  other bodies, in particular executive tasks and administration and
>  everything we consider governance.
>
>  * B: If we continue with the board, I'm afraid we will have a hard time
>  finding candidates,
>   * as the new council is 'the place to be' and
>   * as we need even more of them if the board would be fully elected.
>  * If we have a board and a council, we will run into problems defining the
>  with responsibilities of each body.
>
>  * C: Sounds '''very''' compelling, but also vague. We should remove red
>  tape wherever and when ever possible, but in some situations we need to
>  make a decision and that requires clear rules.
>  * C: I think lazy consensus will work most of the times, but for a
>  community of Fedora's size, 72 hours probably is not enough time to speak
>  up. I'm afraid it will lead to a stronger dominance of people working on
>  Fedora full-time (a.k.a. Red Hatters).
>
>  * A vs. B: I '''strongly''' prefer a single committee. Seems so do most
>  others, nevertheless proposal A is at -2 atm. At FLOCK it seemed to have a
>  lot of support, so I wonder if it is phrased badly.
>
>  * Last but not least a new and possibly crazy idea: Today the board is
>  half elected and half appointed. How about a new body, that is half
>  elected as today, but the other half is elected/appointed on a committee
>  level? I think this would combine the advantage proposals the council
>  (having all stakeholders in the group) with the board (democratic
>  legitimization through election) and at the same time minimize the
>  problems of lazy consensus (dominance of a few).
>