[Design-team] Re: Development of DIY Folding Media Sleeve

[Grant Bowman]

On Tue, 10 Nov 2009 01:05:20 +0100 Onyeibo wrote:
> Grant wrote:
>> I just emailed logo@ to get a proper SVG logo for using with Scribus.
>> The 1.3.3 version I'm using has trouble with the non-standard SVG that
>> I downloaded from http://fedoradesigns.twohotis.fastmail.fm/ - I think
>> in part because the images are not embedded.  The source files would
>> be very helpful.  Using Inkscape 0.47 I get the following errors:
>> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
>> /home/t2hot/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_083418.png
>> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
>> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_085318.png
>> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
>> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_085504.png
>> ** (inkscape:10108): WARNING **: Unable to open linked file:
>> /home/t2hot/Documents/inkscape_pasted_image_20090922_091443.png
>
> I'm sorry you had to go through that process -- my fault.  Actually, I
> received approval and copies of the fedora logos shortly after uploading
> that version.  I've also updated the design to include the approved
> logos.  You will find them here:
> http://fedoradesigns.twohotis.fastmail.fm/. Let me know if this meets
> your needs.
>
>> Onyeibo, have you tried to print out and use your version?  I have
>> successfully used many paper sleeves for myself and others. The
>> designed should be easy to create without using any glue, staples,
>> tape, scissors, etc.  The folding design shown
>> http://www.athensmusician.net/archive/2005-02-13_oragamicdholder.php
>> is excellent.
>
> No, I've not attempted to print-out the design but everything was done
> with precision and life-size dimensions (trusting that the Inkscape
> rulers are accurate). Our design (so far) evolved from your initial job
> description which referenced an Ubuntu DIY sleeve.  I only made the fold
> simpler.  The present solution should go well on Cardboard, Photo paper
> and art paper.  Glue and Scissors are inevitable.  I followed your link
> and checked out the origami ... interesting concept.  However, I suspect
> the use of a regular 60-80gms A4 paper there.  Those don't always
> respond well, especially if we want designs that have gradients and
> fills ... and we're running prints with inkjet printers.  I'll try the
> origami on Cardboard and assess the outcome.
>
>> One note on this artwork is that the fold and how to open the sleeve
>> is needed as end users can be baffled by the sheer cleverness of the
>> folding design the first time they see it.  When I am using the CD as
>> a guide to fold and writing the cover by hand I usually put "open
>> here" on the lip of the paper where the flap folds into.
>
> http://www.tgries.de/origami/CD-A4-Thomas-Hull.pdf provides a better
> description of the same fold.  Sure, we could include some 'mini' fold
> notes.
>
>
>> I will begin work on a new design including all the feedback so far.
>> Having a design that can be used across different versions of Fedora
>> will be helpful for volunteers so that new artwork will not be
>> required for each release, though of course derivatives are possible
>> with each release's artwork.
>>
>> I did not see a clear place to create a wiki page below
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Artwork so I created this page which I
>> hope will be moved to some place more official later.
>>
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Grantbow/DiySleeve
>
> Wow! I'm not sure that is the right way to go about this.  It might be
> necessary to consult the old-timers on how they published project
> progress and reports. You might want to consider publishing 1-3 folding
> alternatives with our final designs ... and leave the choosing to the
> Users.
>
>> I look forward to working with you,
>>
>> Grant Bowman
>> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors
>
>You're Welcome
>
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Hello Onyeibo, thanks for your prompt response.

I have enjoyed reading on the mail list about the design process for
the official CD cover artwork while comparing and contrasting the
design considerations and target audience of this project.

Please forgive me however I fail to grasp how glue and scissors are inevitable.

If a complex assembly and other supplies were required this would
greatly diminish the usefulness of this sleeve for end users.  I hope
that a simple and effective DIY sleeve  can be printed anywhere and
folded at a moment's notice.  Standard paper is what most people have
in their printers and that's the target for a DIY sleeve.  Two
examples are provided that require no glue and scissors and you have
provided alternative folding instructions for one of them which I
appreciate.

As for background colors and large solid colored areas, these
generally take up quite a bit of ink which is a legitimate concern for
some people, especially users at home that resent the high cost of ink
jet refill cartridges.  I like the text you have provided which covers
the support issues quite well, directing people to existing resources.

Thank you for the set of alternative folding instructions.  I'll try
out this Fujimoto 5-part approximation trial and error method to see
if it works better for me.  I know from experience that using the CD
itself as a guide is quite fast, easy and is exactly the right width.
I encourage you to try both of these methods sometime.  Both of the
instructions we provided depend on a fold for the pocket that is not
intuitive the first time through but is very easy with a little
practice.  I don't see the need to create new instructions when we
have two perfectly good sets of instructions already though something
customized would be nice if time allows.

I look forward to continuing to work on this.  I appreciate the
feedback so far and I think the result will be an excellent
alternative for giving Fedora to others.  One reason we all might make
use of this sleeve would be to give out Fedora before manufactured CDs
are available.

I appreciate the work you have done so far as they are an excellent
basis for all derived designs.

Regards,

Grant Bowman
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Ambassadors