Tareq Al Jurf
taljurf at fedoraproject.org
Thu Apr 22 21:04:00 UTC 2010
I'll contact the them to see if i can.
On 22 April 2010 21:19, Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt> wrote:
> Good stuff.
> Could we manage to get a Plymouth themes area ? :)
> On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 20:03 +0300, Tareq Al Jurf wrote:
> > Hi Nelson
> > I think that you should see this fedora-art.org
> > I sent opendesktop.org an email, and they've done it.
> > Regards
> > On 22 April 2010 19:52, Nelson Marques <07721 at ipam.pt> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > I thought over in many things and I do recognize some
> > problems that
> > might be related to people not enrolling with communities like
> > our. I
> > would like to propose the following (though I could prepare a
> > decent
> > document, I'd rather take this approach first).
> > Fedora 13 is going live soon, and honestly everyone should be
> > committed
> > to it, but once F13 is live, it is expected that maybe in the
> > upcoming
> > months after the release there's too much to do still. So
> > maybe the best
> > time is to trigger this around July. At that time people
> > should be
> > preparing for vacations and so on (at least the youth, which
> > is probably
> > the main audience for this).
> > I am not sure when the theme is going to be decided and
> > specially by
> > whom for Fedora 14, but this makes sense to be done right
> > after such is
> > accomplished.
> > What I would like to do:
> > Launch a challenge in existing artist communities through a
> > cooperation
> > protocol between Fedora and those communities, for some quick
> > examples:
> > * opendesktop.org (gnome-look.org, kde-look.org, etc);
> > * deviantart.com
> > * gnome.org and kde.org (?? this people are most likely
> > buried with
> > work already)
> > * suggestions from current artists
> > This challenge should be a "call to arms" oriented campaign
> > in which
> > artists are invited to produce artwork for Fedora Project. As
> > things are
> > not going to be much random, this is what I though that is
> > going to be
> > needed:
> > #1 - Fedora 14 Theme > this has to be decided prior.
> > #2 - A document that provides guidelines for participants to
> > comply
> > (this should be accomplished by the Fedora Design Team, as
> > it's their
> > field of action/expertise).
> > #3 - A place where artists can submit their work. (this
> > shouldnt be too
> > complicated and I would suggest to use a wiki page for this).
> > #4 - Licensing for submitted artwork (this is for sure
> > something I have
> > no knowledge, I believe that eventually there are people here
> > who have
> > done similiar things in the past, so selecting and
> > highlighting such
> > would be great).
> > #5 - A committee to analyze the submitted artwork. We can run
> > this as
> > Fedora or eventually also invite people from other
> > communities, such as
> > GNOME, KDE, etc. If this artwork is going to be enabled by
> > Fedora and
> > distributed for KDE/GNOME, makes sense to me to have someone
> > from their
> > project on this also. See such option as strengthening bonds
> > between us
> > and them.
> > #6 - A proper Marketing/Communication campaign for this. We
> > should be
> > able to reach everyone.
> > #7 - Decide what kind of artwork we want (ex: GNOME Meta
> > Themes, KDE
> > themes, Icon Themes, wallpapers, videos ?).
> > #8 - Some Ambassadorial support work. I would recon that
> > _current_
> > artists who are ambassadors should have a key role here. As
> > artists they
> > might be enrolled on other existing communities, they for sure
> > talk the
> > same language as other artists and know how to attract people
> > in a more
> > effective way than we can at Marketing. As for standard
> > non-artist
> > Ambassadors, I believe they can help a lot also, as running
> > such project
> > is mainly Public Relations work (something I suck at).
> > Some doubts:
> > - If we run such campaign, who decides if we can include or
> > not
> > community based artwork? Can we freely include on F14 some
> > extra stuff
> > that we get from such a campaign ?
> > - The tools... we are promoting open source, but if we scroll
> > through
> > Deviant Art for instance, there is work which is distributed
> > with a
> > friendly license, but is generated in maybe non-friendly
> > software, such
> > as OS X platforms and eventually not GIMP/Inkscape stuff.
> > Should we
> > apply restrictions and check for headers and traces of non-oss
> > in the
> > submitted artwork?
> > - I would like submitters to place their artwork in place
> > where FAS
> > registration is demanded. In the rush of submitting their
> > work, they
> > will go through that step with some "pleasure". If such is
> > done, with a
> > single group apply (ex: design-team) and joining a mailling
> > list, their
> > approach as a potential Fedora contributor is basically done.
> > This could
> > be explored.
> > - Ice breaking... People who might want to submit artwork
> > will be for
> > sure in contact with some of our people. For example we can
> > probably
> > forward them for a "help list" for this event or existing list
> > such as
> > design-team to clear some doubts. Doing such will place them
> > directly in
> > contact with Fedora Teams and will work as a Ice Breaker. This
> > should
> > probably make their possible integration in the future much
> > easier, as
> > they will start having friendly voices around.
> > - Motivation - Fedora is supposed to be installed in 24
> > million
> > computers worldwide (or so some say). This is a kick-ass
> > distribution
> > channel for artists. It should provide enough motivation for
> > them to
> > participate (if we are friendly with rules).
> > - Marketing Involvement > I'm not sure how many people face
> > this, but
> > this is a typical marketing promotion campaign. It does
> > require some
> > work and free time. I'm making myself available for this and I
> > can nag
> > my employer to give me 5 hours weekly to work on this, plus my
> > free
> > time.
> > - Ambassadorial Work > I'm not sure on how this can be done,
> > so some
> > feedback from Ambassadors is welcome, and eventually we can
> > see how we
> > can help each other. Even between the involved
> > departments/teams of
> > Fedora in such, their work as moderators and promoters should
> > be a must.
> > - Cost/Benefits Relation > This should be positive for
> > everyone
> > involved. I'm not sure how design team faces such
> > initiative... Fedora
> > Design is very important, and this should be an accessory for
> > their
> > work, and of course a way to reinforce their ranks in number
> > and gather
> > more contributors/artists for Fedora Artwork/Design Teams.
> > That should
> > be our greatest benefict, plus providing a wider set or
> > artwork on the
> > release. Get more people signed on FAS in a friendly way.
> > Break the Ice
> > between Fedora and possible contributors. On the costs side...
> > This is
> > will require time and effort from at least: Ambassadors,
> > Marketing,
> > Design/Artwork and other teams of Fedora such as QA,
> > packaging, etc. I
> > would say that 20 submissions for Meta-Themes would be already
> > a great
> > win and would reward us all.
> > For the rest, this is a very superficial approach, but if
> > there is
> > interest from Fedora on this, I will turn this into a more
> > in-depth
> > document and more objective.
> > I believe we can try to do something different here and try
> > to enlarge
> > our community a bit, plus providing a bit more of community
> > contributions.
> > All the problems have solutions, we just need to identify
> > them and work
> > them out. I believe we have enough time between now and Fedora
> > 14 theme
> > selection to work out this in a way that we can kick in fast
> > and
> > aggressive soon after the main art theme is selected.
> > I really would love to ear everyone's view about this, their
> > own ideas
> > on how to make better, their concerns, their critics...
> > everything...
> > only in possession of such information we can have a strong
> > basis to
> > work out soemthing like this.
> > From my personal point, I'm willing to place 10 hours/week
> > for such
> > project and report to Marketing every single week about what
> > has been
> > achieved.
> > Nelson.
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