[Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15

Owen Taylor otaylor at redhat.com
Fri Dec 17 16:01:20 UTC 2010

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 16:09 +0100, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
> On Friday, December 17, 2010 03:44:37 pm Owen Taylor wrote:
> > On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 12:23 +0100, Fabian A. Scherschel wrote:
> > > This is disappointing as hell. I had expected nonsense like that
> > > within the Ubuntu community, but not with Fedora. This would've been a
> > > chance to really set Fedora apart and create the best Gnome 3
> > > experience everywhere in an open and transparent way. We've said so
> > > since the last GUADEC. That is what the Design Team is for. If we just
> > > dictate a wallpaper from up hight, that maybe transparent but it's not
> > > open. At least not in my understanding of it. And now this, out of
> > > nowhere. What exactly is the Design Team doing for F15 now? Why are we
> > > even there at all?
> > 
> > Our general approach with the GNOME components in Fedora is to work
> > upstream whenever possible. It's very seldom that there's a change that
> > makes sense in Fedora that doesn't make sense upstream. So we try to
> > just do the change upstream.
> > 
> > I think we'd see the art the same way; if the icons can be improved, if
> > we can do a more attractive widget theme, then we should do that for
> > GNOME.
> > 
> > So, I guess we haven't necessarily seen the need for a big process to
> > design artwork for GNOME 3 in Fedora 15 that is separate from the normal
> > flow to design artwork for GNOME 3. The GNOME artists are very friendly
> > and open to people getting involved. You can find them on #gnome-art and
> > #gnome-design on GimpNet.
> > 
> > Obviously, there's work to be done to coordinate the user experience for
> > GNOME 3 and Fedora and make it fit together - at every level from how
> > the websites interact on down. There's still a few months to make that
> > happen.
> Fedora is not Gnome only :) What about Gnome 3 Fedora Remix for Gnome demo 
> version? Other desktop environments are using these approach - it's very easy to 
> do it, everything can be rebranded but mention Fedora Remix somewhere :)

If the team doing the default Fedora desktop switched and did a GNOME
remix instead this cycle, who would do the default Fedora desktop? 
(I'm sure you'd be happy to switch the default to KDE for this cycle,
but... ;-)

And how would we distinguish between the two different downloads when
presenting options to the user? We'd basically be offering the user the
choice between two different almost identical things because we couldn't
come to a decision.

> If not a Remix, I don't care if Gnome spin goes with non Gnome theme anymore - 
> it's up to you, your responsibility, your choice Fedora or Gnome ;-) But we need 
> then answer for other spins/old Gnome 2.x - are we going to prepare theme for 
> F15 (looks like, I'd appreciate that, you guys here rocks!), or should we go to 
> upstream wallpaper too (upstreams would be happy then ;-). But it's decision not 
> only for F15 but F15+ - skipping from our, to upstream's theme, then back is not 
> a good idea. Very inconsistent behaviour.

I don't think doing something different for Fedora 15 for GNOME and then
not doing it for Fedora 16 is going to be that disruptive to the user.
The backgrounds are different every release and the stripes background
is within the realm of something that would make a plausible Fedora
background. It's not a huge foot emblem sitting in the middle of the
desktop, and it's even blue.

My suggestion to you guys if we go this route is really to keep the
change as minimal as possible and proceed as normal with the other
desktop backgrounds and the rest of the art. 

Obviously if the art team feels its a waste of time to do a set of art
when the background image in that art set is only an optional choice
within GNOME then something else will have to be figured out, but it
seems that there still is a lot of exposure to the art set elsewhere and
on other desktops.

- Owne

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