[Design-team] GNOME background in Fedora 15

[Jaroslav Reznik]

On Saturday, December 18, 2010 02:23:52 am Máirín Duffy wrote:
> Hi Martin,
> 
> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 22:28 +0100, Martin Sourada wrote:
> > IMHO this would lessen Fedora's visual identity a lot. Imagine you boot
> > a F15 Desktop Live and what you see is almost pristine GNOME 3 desktop.
> > Where's Fedora in it? Where's our own visual identity in it?
> 
> Our visual identity would (if the proposal is accepted) be present on
> the website, on the DVD disc labels and sleeves, in syslinux, in the
> installer, in firstboot, in plymouth, and on the login screen. The
> wallpaper we design will be the default for GDM.
> 
> >  Moreover,
> > 
> > KDE shipped our wallpaper with the 4.0 release, why should we treat
> > GNOME differently? Is it some new trend?
> 
> I honestly don't remember the KDE SIG ever approaching us with this
> request. And honestly why would they? - they aren't the default
> download, so it's not up to this team, it's up to the KDE SIG what to
> do. This team, the design team, has purview over the default wallpaper
> in the default Fedora. Spins have always been able to change their
> wallpapers as they've liked, and we've even designed alternative
> wallpapers for them at their request (e.g., Education Spin and Security
> Spin.)

Actually I asked for something I proposed here - KDE was in the same situation 
one year ago... And I still think it's a good idea - to merge 
upstream/downstream branding - it would work best for both Gnome and KDE, it's 
long-term solution etc. I'll try to write down the proposal.

But you said it - Gnome spin is now the default one - we should take care about 
our jewel.

R.

> > OK, so upstream wants to promote GNOME 3. I'm not a fan of gnome-shell
> > (quite the contrary), but let them do it. But why the visual identity?
> > It's the behaviour, the work-flow, the experience that makes GNOME 3
> > from end-user point of view, and it's the visual identity that makes our
> > distro Fedora from end-user POV (among other things, but the visual
> > identity is the first thing you see).
> 
> They believe the stripes is part of their upstream visual identity. To
> be fair, they are producing a lot of nice visual materials including
> videos that have the stripes - because as a DE they must remain neutral
> wrt distros, so they obviously cannot pick a favorite in choosing a
> wallpaper. They would like the visual identity then across
> GNOME-produced materials and Fedora materials and materials produced by
> journalists and other reviewers checking out GNOME 3 via Fedora to be
> consistent. This makes sense to me. After F15, it won't be as big a deal
> since all the hooplah will be over, so at that point we can go back to
> the standard operating procedure.
> 
> > So in short, let's be *first* to ship GNOME 3 and let's be *first* to
> > ship it with our own visual identity. We, the fedora design team, should
> > be leaders in our area as well ;-)
> 
> I am unsure if we will be the first to ship GNOME 3. Certainly we will
> be first to ship it by default. I don't understand how we are being
> leaders in what you suggest here.
> 
> ~m
> 
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