[Design-team] design-team Digest, Vol 19, Issue 11

Mohd Rukhairy rukhairy at gmail.com
Fri Nov 26 05:25:29 UTC 2010


Hello everyone,

I'm new here, and I haven't been active in any project so far, but the
fedora rpg badge looks really interesting, and i hope that i could give a
little help on that, especially on the design part. I'm looking forward to
 start working with everyone.

Have a nice day.

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>   1. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke)
>   2. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Misha Shnurapet)
>   3. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Nicu Buculei)
>   4. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke)
>   5. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Nicu Buculei)
>   6. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Vinzenz Vietzke)
>   7. Fedora RPG Badge (Fabian A. Scherschel)
>   8. Re: Fedora RPG Badge (ppapadeas at gmail.com)
>   9. Re: Self Introduction / Fedora startpage (Jef van Schendel)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 24 Nov 2010 23:07:19 +0100
> From: Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz at fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID: <4CED8C97.80803 at fedoraproject.org>
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> Hi Jef,
>
> Am 24.11.2010 21:02, schrieb Jef van Schendel:
> > So my suggestion is to put both of these concepts together and make one
> > really fantastic Start page.:)
> Here we go! :)
>
> > - We'd like to use the same footer across all the different Fedora
> websites,
> > so I think we should keep that. It's big and has a lot of content, but on
> > the other hand it's content that fits really well on a Start page. Also,
> we
> > can remove the Release Notes, Join, etc links if we use that footer.
> I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or
> get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like
> start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with
> content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this
> information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality.
>
> >
> > - As I said I love the CC icons as filters, but they could be a little
> > closer to the actual search bar, so it's clear what they're used for. I
> > think the "dropdown + button + CC logo" combo I currently have in place
> > looks ugly, so maybe we can simply put them there?
> Sounds good to me. Have a look: [2]
> >
> > - I'm not sure what to do about the RSS feeds. Initially I resisted
> against
> > adding them, because I felt the page would go from a clean and simple
> Start
> > page to a full-blown hub. On the other hand, they contain a lot of good
> and
> > up-to-date information about what's happening in the community. What do
> you
> > (and others who want to join in!) think, are they valuable enough to
> keep?
> > Or is it a step too far?
> Maybe we should talk about two different sites:
> * welcome.fedoraproject.org
> Think of it looking like my v3 with a "compressed" standard footer. [1]
> This site should only contain the searching functionality since it's
> intended as browser home page.
> The only additional function I'd add would be a link named "switch to
> daily start page" or so, which updates the browser home page to a
> start.fedoraproject.org variant as stated below.
>
> * start.fedoraproject.org
> On this site I'd place things like RSS feeds, tweets, rotating photo
> galleries etc. Something like a portal but only with aggregated content
> so no daily maintenance would be needed.
> Perhaps pushing planet.fpo unfiltered to this site should be rethought
> since there are sometimes quite useless postings like "i have voted" or
> so. Maybe someone should pick the 20-30 most "valuable" ones and tell
> the blog owners about the fact that their posts will appear on
> start.fpo. In this way a little quality assurance would be given.
>
> vinz.
>
> [1] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/compressed-footer.png
> [2] http://vinz.fedorapeople.org/start.fpo/v4.png
> --
> Vinzenz Vietzke
> m:  vinz at fedoraproject.org
> wk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz
> mb: https://identi.ca/vinzv | https://twitter.com/vinzv
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:13:04 +0800
> From: Misha Shnurapet <shnurapet at fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID: <47801290651184 at web110.yandex.ru>
> Content-Type: text/plain
>
> 25.11.2010, 06:07, "Vinzenz Vietzke" <vinz at fedoraproject.org>:
> > I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or
> > get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like
> > start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with
> > content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this
> > information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality.
>
> I also think that a start page should be as clean as possible and only
> contain a branded search bar [1], [2].
>
> [1] http://www.google.ru/firefox
> [2] http://firefox.yandex.ru/
>
> 25.11.2010, 04:02, "Jef van Schendel" <jefvanschendel at gmail.com>:
> > - As I said I love the CC icons as filters, but they could be a little
> closer to the actual search bar, so it's clear what they're used for. I
> think the "dropdown + button + CC logo" combo I currently have in place
> looks ugly, so maybe we can simply put them there?
>
> Agree, a good place for switchers would be right under the search bar.
>
> --
> Best regards,
> Misha Shnurapet, Fedora Project Contributor
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Shnurapet
> shnurapet AT fedoraproject.org, GPG: 00217306
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 09:27:03 +0200
> From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID: <4CEE0FC7.2020201 at nicubunu.ro>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> On 11/24/2010 10:02 PM, Jef van Schendel wrote:
> > I made a mockup [1] which has the same content as the current Start
> > page, but with the redesigned header and footer. Together with Sijis I
> > put together a working prototype [2]. As you can see we added two RSS
> > feeds to the page with announcements and Fedora Planet posts.
> >
> > Looking back I don't think I announced any of this on the Websites or
> > Design Team mailing lists, which wasn't smart. After all, if it's not on
> > the list, it didn't happen. ;)
>
> That's so true... :)
>
> > - I think the Board has talked before about changing the content and
> > function of start.fpo, but I can't remember what the consensus was. This
> > is why I kept the current content and only worked on the appearance
> > (just like you did). I think that's the best way to go for now. We can
> > always change it in the future.
>
> IIRC, there was no consensus reached.
> An important amount of people have concerns about us relying
> on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some
> other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And
> other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when
> the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI.
>
> --
> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 10:03:24 +0100
> From: Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz at fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID: <4CEE265C.1070305 at fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Am 25.11.2010 08:27, schrieb Nicu Buculei:
> > IIRC, there was no consensus reached.
> > An important amount of people have concerns about us relying
> > on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some
> > other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And
> > other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when
> > the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI.
> 1) Switching to some more free/libre web search is a honorable idea, but
> IMHO there is no service around which is nearly as stable and as
> reliable as google, yahoo, bing and so on. Projects like yacy are good
> efforts to offer independent ways of searching but with a start page for
> new users we should have an eye on highest reliability.
>
> 2) That's right. Ubuntu is earning money from Google and even from
> Microsoft for placing Bing second on the search field. I think that can
> cut both ways: On the one hand you get money for your project and can
> "do something good". But on the other hand you leave the noble goals a
> bit behind or even sell a piece of your soul. ;-)
> At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for that?
>
> 3) The search field in Firefox is nice for users which are used to it.
> But for the absolutely new user a big friendly search box in the middle
> is much more comfortable.
>
> vinz.
> --
> Vinzenz Vietzke
> m:  vinz at fedoraproject.org
> wk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz
> mb: https://identi.ca/vinzv | https://twitter.com/vinzv
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:11:42 +0200
> From: Nicu Buculei <nicu_fedora at nicubunu.ro>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID: <4CEE284E.90001 at nicubunu.ro>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
>
> On 11/25/2010 11:03 AM, Vinzenz Vietzke wrote:
> > Am 25.11.2010 08:27, schrieb Nicu Buculei:
> >> IIRC, there was no consensus reached.
> >> An important amount of people have concerns about us relying
> >> on/promoting a proprietary service. There are also voices saying some
> >> other projects receive money from Google for something like this. And
> >> other voices pointing to the little value of having a Google search when
> >> the default browser (Firefox) has the search box inside its UI.
> > 1) Switching to some more free/libre web search is a honorable idea, but
> > IMHO there is no service around which is nearly as stable and as
> > reliable as google, yahoo, bing and so on. Projects like yacy are good
> > efforts to offer independent ways of searching but with a start page for
> > new users we should have an eye on highest reliability.
>
> This is the Board decision to make and I remember all those points were
> raised in that discussion.
>
> > 2) That's right. Ubuntu is earning money from Google and even from
> > Microsoft for placing Bing second on the search field. I think that can
> > cut both ways: On the one hand you get money for your project and can
> > "do something good". But on the other hand you leave the noble goals a
> > bit behind or even sell a piece of your soul. ;-)
> > At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for
> that?
>
> Apparently we bring them an amount of users little enough to worth money.
>
> --
> nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com/
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 11:03:11 +0100
> From: Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz at fedoraproject.org>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID: <4CEE345F.9080808 at fedoraproject.org>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Am 25.11.2010 10:11, schrieb Nicu Buculei:
> >> At the moment Fedora is promoting Google. But why not take money for
> that?
> > Apparently we bring them an amount of users little enough to worth money.
> >
> Oh well... Should have thought of that. :)
> --
> Vinzenz Vietzke
> m:  vinz at fedoraproject.org
> wk: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Vinz
> mb: https://identi.ca/vinzv | https://twitter.com/vinzv
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 21:45:35 +0100
> From: "Fabian A. Scherschel" <fab at sixgun.org>
> Subject: [Design-team] Fedora RPG Badge
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID:
>        <AANLkTin=HO0=EnHaOLaABGYzQzO6qRmrH2h6N2v3LAeE at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> Hi, folks!
>
> As promised, if woefully late (sorry, been busy killing people on stage),
> my
> first sketch for the PSN-like Fedora RPG badge we discussed some time ago.
> Feel free to comment and whip me around for my lame panda-drawing
> skills....
>
> http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png
>
>
> Toodle pip!
> Fab
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:50:41 +0200
> From: "ppapadeas at gmail.com" <ppapadeas at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] Fedora RPG Badge
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team at lists.fedoraproject.org>
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> On Thu, Nov 25, 2010 at 10:45 PM, Fabian A. Scherschel <fab at sixgun.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi, folks!
> > As promised, if woefully late (sorry, been busy killing people on stage),
> my
> > first sketch for the PSN-like Fedora RPG badge we discussed some time
> ago.
> > Feel free to comment and whip me around for my lame panda-drawing
> skills....
> > http://fabsh.fedorapeople.org/rpg/fedora-rpg-badge1.png
>
> Absolutely lovable!
>
> One little suggestion though... The "short tagline" should be on the
> right side so the picture can be 100% of the height of the box.
>
> Still your panda is nice :P :)
>
> ~?
>
>
> --
> Pierros Papadeas
> PGP key: 0x6130DBF8
> http://pierros.papadeas.gr
> pierros at papadeas.gr
> liknus @ GRnet , Freenode
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 25 Nov 2010 22:19:43 +0100
> From: Jef van Schendel <jefvanschendel at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Design-team] Self Introduction / Fedora startpage
> To: Fedora Design Team <design-team at lists.fedoraproject.org>
> Message-ID:
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> 2010/11/24 Vinzenz Vietzke <vinz at fedoraproject.org>
> >
> > I think using the same footer on "regular" websites like www.fpo or
> > get.fpo is absolutely necessary. But on such a special site like
> > start.fpo I think it would be better not to "rush" the user with
> > content. Especially new users would just get struck by all this
> > information and would overlook the search bar as core functionality.
> >
>
> Maybe we should talk about two different sites:
> > * welcome.fedoraproject.org
> > Think of it looking like my v3 with a "compressed" standard footer. [1]
> > This site should only contain the searching functionality since it's
> > intended as browser home page.
> >
>
> Agreed on the rushing, that's definitely an issue. However I'm not sure a
> compressed footer is the best thing to do, since that means we've got two
> different ones and it'll be even harder to get them consistent across all
> websites. Also, most of the links in your mockup footer are also in the
> header on www.fpo. If we only want to have those, we could also use the
> existing menu bar somewhere, as in [1].
>
> I tried to get the search functionality front and center, without removing
> the footer in [2]. We can easily make the footer stick to the bottom of the
> screen, so it gets out of the way but is still there if you need it. By
> putting the search bar right in the middle of the screen, it's still the
> most prominent object on the page.
>
> Another option is to hide the footer a bit. I tried making that div's
> position absolute and putting the top at 90%. Doing this, only the very top
> part is visible on your screen and the rest when you scroll down. I'm not
> sure that's a good option though, it looks quite strange, as if something
> went wrong.
>
>
> > The only additional function I'd add would be a link named "switch to
> > daily start page" or so, which updates the browser home page to a
> > start.fedoraproject.org variant as stated below.
> >
> > * start.fedoraproject.org
> > On this site I'd place things like RSS feeds, tweets, rotating photo
> > galleries etc. Something like a portal but only with aggregated content
> > so no daily maintenance would be needed.
> > Perhaps pushing planet.fpo unfiltered to this site should be rethought
> > since there are sometimes quite useless postings like "i have voted" or
> > so. Maybe someone should pick the 20-30 most "valuable" ones and tell
> > the blog owners about the fact that their posts will appear on
> > start.fpo. In this way a little quality assurance would be given.
> >
>
>  Actually there's already a page that has most of that, the Community page
> on www.fpo. We designed that just as you describe, as a kind of hub for
> community information.
>
> Thus, I think it's best to keep all of that on the Community page, and
> remove the feeds from start.fpo again. It really adds too much noise IMO.
>
>
> Anyway, I'll give it some more thought next week.
>
>
> As for the Google topic, those are all valid points but it's probably
> something to discuss on a different list. For now, I think the content is
> good enough: everybody is familiar with Google, and the CC filters add a
> nice touch that for instance Firefox's search bar doesn't provide. I just
> want to give start.fpo a quick facelift. :)
>
> Jef
>
> [1] http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/menubar.png
> [2] http://schendje.fedorapeople.org/temp/start1.png
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