[Fedora-desktop-list] changing Gnome panel buttons

[Kreg Steppe]

After reading your, and Havoc's points I do agree with you.

I dont believe that I was looking at the bigger picture. You guys are 
right that it doesn't take 2 secs to put it on the panel...and UI 
choices should reflect upon the goal of a more Desktop User experience.

I enjoy a good debate, but I will say that you are right.

Kreg



Alexander Larsson wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 19:26, Kreg Steppe wrote:
> 
>>I think that since Fedora isn't geared towards Home users any longer, 
>>but towards enthusiasts, and the like, I think that maybe there could be 
>>a little re-engineering of the defaults. I for one, the first thing that 
>>I do, is pull that icon right to my panel.
> 
> 
> This is a misconception. Just because we're not currently good enough to
> be able to be used by anyone doesn't mean we've decided to not pursue
> that goal. The goal of the Fedora desktop is to (eventually) be good
> enough and usable enough that anyone should be able to use a default
> install and be productive.
> 
> This is important to us, since this is what would make Linux a viable
> alternative to Windows and MacOS X, and this is the end goal for Fedora.
> Just because computer enthusiasts are who currently most use Fedora we
> shouldn't ignore this. 
> 
> The fact is that enthusiasts (like everyone on this mailing list) can
> easily configure their desktop the way they want, and they all do
> (differently, and very often so that it looks and works similar to some
> older setup we've gotten used to). However, "normal" users (and I know
> this is a bad term) typically won't ever change anything from the
> default, and its therefore important that we design the defaults with
> them foremost in mind. 
> 
> The terminal is an important part of Unix, and believe me, I spend most
> of my time in a terminal. However, the idea of the desktop and a gui is
> that you're supposed to be able to use the computer and be productive
> without having to learn and remember a lot of commands. A terminal isn't
> very good for this (even if its very efficient for other things), so
> pushing one on the user that doesn't need it is bad.
> 
> This doesn't mean we should *hide* the terminal, we just shouldn't
> expose it extra prominently in the UI. If you're a user that needs to
> start a terminal often, then by default you're a user that is able to
> add a terminal icon to the panel in less than 5 seconds, and chances are
> that you're already not using the default setup anyway.
> 
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