Bastien Nocera bnocera at
Fri May 7 10:12:38 UTC 2010

----- "Yaakov Nemoy" <loupgaroublond at> wrote:
> I can definitely understand why you want to do things this way. Given
> alot of the 'discussion' going on around several mailing lists, i
> think that in order to solve the problems you're looking to solve,
> it's probably more efficient to do it this way. That said, it seems
> to
> go completely against what we talk about about how open source
> development should be done as much in the open as possible. I don't
> mean to be critical of you, or that you're willing to Get Shit Done
> (tm), but it really makes me wonder that if you have to resort to
> internal to RH development to avoid having your time grossly wasted,
> what are we doing wrong in Fedora in general.

This is definitely not a RH-only thing. I just knew that I would get the answers I needed from the people I mailed.

If you must know, I mailed Lennart (for Avahi), Dan Williams (for NetworkManager), Thomas Woerner (system-config-firewall maintainer), the man responsible for security policies in RHEL (so we get buy-in, and engineering time if necessary), and a few others.

I knew that those people would end up being the ones doing the work, if we could agree on something, so it's only fair that they are included in the discussions, and I didn't want people to tell me what colour the shed should be painted.

To be honest, this is also a harder discussion than some others for the desktop, because the interaction and security needs are tightly bound together (I'm trying to get less popups and dialogues, but security guys want everything vouched for by the user), so we're trying to find technical ways to make the UI better, which is certainly not the best way to go about things.

Right now, it's mostly been quite uninteresting, but I'll make sure to drop a mail on fedora-devel if and when we want to make the changes.


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