Developer focus for Fedora workstation

[Josh Boyer]

On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Chris Murphy <lists at colorremedies.com> wrote:
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> On Aug 19, 2014, at 12:56 PM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
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>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 2:48 PM, Chris Murphy <lists at colorremedies.com> wrote:
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>>> On Aug 19, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
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>>>> On Tue, Aug 19, 2014 at 12:16 PM, Chris Murphy <lists at colorremedies.com> wrote:
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>>>>> At least, Virtual Box should be an explicitly targeted and supported platform to run Fedora on (as a guest). Despite its drawbacks, it must be easier to target than hundreds of models, let alone highly closed and quirky hardware like Macs.
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>>>> If that is ever going to happen, it needs people interested in it to
>>>> actually just make it happen.  So if anyone would like to see it work
>>>> well in VirtualBox, then by all means go make it work well in
>>>> VirtualBox.
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>>>> We need people to show up and do the work, not tell other people what
>>>> should be important.  We have no lack of the latter.
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>>> Convincing people who tell others what is or should be important, are effective recruiters and an incentive for other people to show up and do the necessary work. The inverse is not true.
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>> Really?  People have been telling Fedora that virtualbox is very
>> important since it first came out.  Apparently the "recruiting" of
>> people that actually want to see it work well is failing.
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> No it's either because it's a bad idea to begin with, or there's no one trusted with the cachet to sell the idea, or that person hasn't himself been convinced.
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> Convincing people = people who are convincing, could be one person, they're typically in leadership roles.
> Convincing people ≠ a volume of opinions.
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> The volume of opinions is noise, the doers aren't listening, or don't have a reason to care. Too many cats, too few cat herders.

How is any of that not considered failing to promote
Fedora+VirtualBox?  I honestly have no idea what your point is here.

>>  I don't see
>> that being effective at all.  At the end of the day you need people
>> that actually DO, not people that just talk.
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> I'd characterize the project's attitude toward Virtual Box as somewhere in the realm of anemic, not quite openly hostile. So it doesn't surprise me it's not attracting Fedora+VirtualBox specific developers to make the combination a better overall experience.

Great.  I'd agree with all of that.  So I'm not sure why you think
talking about it more is going to make it more important, or why all
of a sudden now people would start digging in.

josh