Package List Discussion

[Josh Boyer]

On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:20 AM, Kalev Lember <kalevlember at gmail.com> wrote:
> On 06/04/2014 01:52 PM, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> I disagree.  We aren't targeting people that find virtualization to be
>> a confusing concept.  Workstation is targeting developers and students
>> with a reasonable degree of technical competence.  I believe working
>> virt out of the box should be installed.
>
> No, sorry, you might have misunderstood the PRD. We aren't producing a
> distro only for developers. We are still producing a general purpose OS
> but we are focusing our own development effort more on making it easier
> to use Workstation for development.

There's nothing in what I said that precludes a general purpose OS.
On the contrary, it's required for anything above and beyond that.

> We had this discussion already when approving the PRD. There were
> concerns that people might misunderstand the wording there to mean that
> we are no longer supporting the general desktop user. No; the PRD only
> enumerates areas we'll give special focus during development and is not
> meant to say that those are the only supported use cases.

And this is where you and I differ.  I consider virtualization an
important enough thing for the areas we're giving special focus to be
installed by default.  You, apparently, do not.  That's a difference
of opinion between you and I, not a fundamental misunderstanding of
the overall goal on my part.

If you would like, we could certainly put this to a vote in the WG.  I
may very well be alone in my desire for virt to work out of the box.
If we could actually get the WG to vote on it, I'll be happy to shut
up either way.  I'm interested in making progress, not endless
debates.

> It is still a general purpose desktop distro.

Again, nothing I've said would imply general functionality doesn't work.

> Quoting from the Workstation PRD:
>
>   "We want to create a stable, integrated, polished and user friendly
>    system that can appeal to a wide general audience. /.../ This PRD is
>    not meant to be an exhaustive list of what potential users can or
>    will use the Fedora Workstation for, but rather outline the
>    Workstation working groups development priorities and overall goals."
>
> ... and goes on to explain that one of those development priorities is
> to be attractive to developers.
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Workstation/Workstation_PRD

You don't need to point me to the wiki page I created.

josh