[PATCH] Move captive portal to fedora-release-workstation

[Owen Taylor]

On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 09:00 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> On Thu, 2014-10-02 at 20:26 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
> > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 16:10 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 10:25 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2014-09-30 at 14:12 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
> > > > > > I don't really like that people that do upgrades get a worse
> > > > > > experience because of that pointless change but well ...
> > > > > 
> > > > > There's nothing that says a user doing an upgrade wants to upgrade to
> > > > > Workstation.  There's also nothing that is going to magically upgrade
> > > > > them to Workstation anyway.  Also, they don't have this in F20 so
> > > > > their experience is not worse, it's the same.
> > > > 
> > > > I think fedup needs to to require specification of the product when
> > > > upgrading from Fedora 20:
> > > > [...]
> > > 
> > > I've been trying to work with the packaging folks and the fedup
> > > maintainer, but right now it's looking infeasible to do a
> > > non-productized (F20) upgrade to a Productized F21. People who want
> > > Workstation are going to have to do a clean install. People upgrading
> > > from F20 will end up with non-productized F21 (equivalent
> > >  to a Spin).
> > 
> > In the Fedora Workstation PRD we have:
> > 
> >  Robust Upgrades
> > 
> >  Upgrading the system multiple times through the upgrade process should
> >  give a result that is the same as an original install of Fedora
> >  Workstation. Upgrade should be a safe and process that never leaves the
> >  system needing manual intervention.
> > 
> > This refers, of course, to upgrades between versions of Fedora
> > Workstation, but I think we're sending a strong message in the wrong
> > direction if we make it require a complex manual procedure to upgrade
> > from F20 to F21 Workstation.
> > 
> 
> Well, the procedure isn't necessarily *complex*, but it *is* necessarily
> manual. Please see my email on devel@, I talked about the actual
> technical issues that are getting in the way here (and the fact that
> we're dangerously close to Beta for trying to land entirely new code in
> fedup...)

There's three separate things here:

 * We need to make it almost impossible to *accidentally* upgrade to
   non-productized F21 and think you are getting the Workstation
   experience.

 * We need to provide a feasible way to upgrade from F20
   Fedora 21 Workstation. 

 * We want to provide a slick, competitive, professional upgrade
   experience.

If we are willing to give up the last, we can satisfy the first two by a
warning message in fedup and a wiki page. What we shouldn't do is 
concentrate on the last one at the expense of the first two.

> > If the initial version of Fedora Workstation wa
>  a huge technical change
> > involving different packaging systems, different filesystems, and so
> > forth, I could see that we might want to require a fresh install a
> > single time with a promise that things would be better in the future -
> > but this really isn't the case>
> 
> Well, to a lesser extent, this *is* a new packaging system; we're asking
> for the capability to install a different set of packages based on which
> Product you *might* want to upgrade to.

Reinstallation isn't something we can take lightly. A user that is told 
that they need to reinstall to go to the next version of Fedora make
well take that opportunity to try out some other Linux 
distribution. Not to mention that it's really inconvenient for the user
and quite likely hazardous to their data!

We should only ever be thinking of fresh installs if there no other way
to get to the end goal.

Beyond that, if we are recommending reinstallation at some point, it's
our responsibility to have a carefully constructed reinstallation
experience that walks the user through backing up their data, determines
if there is other data on the system that might be lost (e.g., databases
in /var/lib), and probably tries to migrate some aspects of account
configuration to the new system.

As I recall, there is am option to replace existing Fedora installation'
option in the installer but to my thinking you need a lot more than
that. It's a pretty big project.

- Owen