[PATCH] Move captive portal to fedora-release-workstation

drago01 drago01 at gmail.com
Fri Oct 3 19:18:14 UTC 2014


On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 9:01 PM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com> wrote:
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> On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 20:45 +0200, drago01 wrote:
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 8:42 PM, Stephen Gallagher <sgallagh at redhat.com> wrote:
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>> > On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 14:21 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
>> >> On Fri, 2014-10-03 at 09:00 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> >> > On Thu, 2014-10-02 at 20:26 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
>> >> > > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 16:10 -0400, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>> >> > > > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 10:25 -0400, Owen Taylor wrote:
>> >> > > > > On Tue, 2014-09-30 at 14:12 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > I don't really like that people that do upgrades get a worse
>> >> > > > > > > experience because of that pointless change but well ...
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > There's nothing that says a user doing an upgrade wants to upgrade to
>> >> > > > > > Workstation.  There's also nothing that is going to magically upgrade
>> >> > > > > > them to Workstation anyway.  Also, they don't have this in F20 so
>> >> > > > > > their experience is not worse, it's the same.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > I think fedup needs to to require specification of the product when
>> >> > > > > upgrading from Fedora 20:
>> >> > > > > [...]
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>> >> > > > I've been trying to work with the packaging folks and the fedup
>> >> > > > maintainer, but right now it's looking infeasible to do a
>> >> > > > non-productized (F20) upgrade to a Productized F21. People who want
>> >> > > > Workstation are going to have to do a clean install. People upgrading
>> >> > > > from F20 will end up with non-productized F21 (equivalent
>> >> > > >  to a Spin).
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>> >> > > In the Fedora Workstation PRD we have:
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>> >> > >  Robust Upgrades
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>> >> > >  Upgrading the system multiple times through the upgrade process should
>> >> > >  give a result that is the same as an original install of Fedora
>> >> > >  Workstation. Upgrade should be a safe and process that never leaves the
>> >> > >  system needing manual intervention.
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>> >> > > This refers, of course, to upgrades between versions of Fedora
>> >> > > Workstation, but I think we're sending a strong message in the wrong
>> >> > > direction if we make it require a complex manual procedure to upgrade
>> >> > > from F20 to F21 Workstation.
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>> >> > Well, the procedure isn't necessarily *complex*, but it *is* necessarily
>> >> > manual. Please see my email on devel@, I talked about the actual
>> >> > technical issues that are getting in the way here (and the fact that
>> >> > we're dangerously close to Beta for trying to land entirely new code in
>> >> > fedup...)
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>> >> There's three separate things here:
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>> >>  * We need to make it almost impossible to *accidentally* upgrade to
>> >>    non-productized F21 and think you are getting the Workstation
>> >>    experience.
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>> > I think this is the wrong way of thinking about this. As noted elsewhere
>> > in this or the other thread, we *cannot* make the assumption that
>> > someone upgrading from F20 actually *wants* it to be Fedora Workstation,
>> > even if they happen to have the GNOME desktop installed.
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>> > There are plenty of people who are using a system installed from one of
>> > the spins as well as people who are using Fedora as a server (possibly
>> > headless) and having the upgrade process result in Workstation except
>> > when *explicitly* chosen is not acceptable.
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>> >>  * We need to provide a feasible way to upgrade from F20
>> >>    Fedora 21 Workstation.
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>> > I would certainly be in favor of having this. The definition of
>> > "feasible" is very complicated, though. This can be solved, but it's
>> > debatable if it can be solved sensibly in the remaining time. (See the
>> > explanations in the other thread).
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>> Why from the chatlog you attached elsewhere one would conclude that
>> the "yum install fedora-relase-foo && fedup" would work. Or what did I
>> miss?
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> You missed the part where that approach takes away the no-manual-steps
> part of it. If we go that path, then you MUST explicitly do 'yum install
> fedora-release-[standard|workstation|cloud|server]' before you can run
> fedup.
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> If people feel that this is an acceptable approach, we can investigate
> it, but the general sense I was getting is that "fedup --network 21"
> should work on its own with no other interaction.

Well "fedup --network 21" could simply check if any of those packages
is present and if not print a message. Shouldn't this be that big of a
change.


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