Let's reconsider some more applications installed by default

[Eric Griffith]

Michael, Question for you and the mailing list at large. What about non
graphical applications?

The one in particular that comes to mind is thermald-- Intel's thermal
daemon for ensuring Intel CPU's laptops and tablets do not overheat and
stay within usual temperature ranges. Its a relatively small package, and
while this is anecdotal evidence, it seemed to keep my laptop a few degrees
coolers during compiles. Minor addition for a better user experience
(cooler laps). I've got a spec file for it laying around that use
privately, though I know there's a copr that hosts it as well.

Going back to your original question. Why will the evolution not happen?
Lack of willpower (no one wants to / Evolution is a mess) or lack of
manpower (Other things are more important)? I don't use Evolution
personally so I don't care, it just stood out to me in your original mail.

As far as Firefox / Epiphany.. I vote Firefox only because, like
LibreOffice, it's a bit of a jewel of open source software. But, if
Epiphany were to be made the default, is the team sufficiently strong and
active enough to respond to security issues in a timely manner? If
Workstation were to push a default I would hope that it would be well
supported.

Cheers!
--Ericg--
On Aug 28, 2015 15:08, "Michael Catanzaro" <mcatanzaro at gnome.org> wrote:

> From the latest revision of our PRD [1]:
>
> "Fedora Workstation follows the GNOME Human Interface Guidelines. These
> guidelines are mandatory for applications installed by default."
>
> Currently we have applications that clearly do not follow these
> guidelines. Unless we plan to revisit this section of the PRD, we
> should remove them, or set a deadline for them to be improved.
>
> * Devassistant. Needs an app menu, plus a serious sit-down with the
> GNOME designers. We want to make it easy to develop apps for Fedora,
> but not at the cost of leaving a bad quality impression.
>
> * Evolution: Needs a major redesign that is not going to happen. Geary
> is not yet a suitable replacement. Options: (1) Not install any email
> client, because most users will use webmail; we can feature Evolution
> in GNOME Software. (2) If we want to keep Evolution installed by
> default, it's time to require the maintainers to add an app menu.
>
> * Firefox. I see two options here: (1) replace it with Epiphany (FWIW,
> I think Epiphany has matured enough recently for this to be reasonable,
> but I am biased ;) (2) enable the GNOME extensions, mandate that they
> be updated in tandem with updates to Firefox in Fedora, and patch in an
> application menu. The extensions are good, and Mozilla is a reasonable
> upstream we can work with to get permission for this. The status quo
> should not be an option.
>
> * setroubleshoot. This app is completely hopeless. SELinux issues are
> sufficiently rare nowadays that we simply do not need this anymore,
> although it would be ideal for ABRT to detect the issues and handle bug
> reports.
>
> * Shotwell. Eventually we can replace it with GNOME Photos, but in the
> meantime, users can just install a photo management app if they want
> one. Also, I suspect Shotwell sends your password to Facebook without
> verifying its TLS certificate....
>
> * Transmission. Its only significant legal use is to download our
> competitor's products (Linux ISOs), hardly something we need to
> encourage. It's featured in GNOME Software already.
>
> Thoughts?
>
> Michael
>
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