E&S WG request for input on requirements for Fedora Developer Portal

Václav Pavlín vpavlin at redhat.com
Tue Jul 21 11:06:57 UTC 2015

On 07/21/2015 10:22 AM, Nick Coghlan wrote:
> On 21 July 2015 at 18:10, Petr Hracek <phracek at redhat.com> wrote:
>> Hi Taylor,
>> On 07/20/2015 10:12 PM, Owen Taylor wrote:
>>> On Mon, 2015-07-20 at 10:33 -0400, Jens Petersen wrote:
>>>> In the last Env & Stacks meeting last week there was discussion about
>>>> plans, direction, and content for the Fedora Developer Portal website
>>>> that is under construction.  I think the plan is make the E&S WG more
>>>> actively involved in overseeing the content on the Portal. Anyway as
>>>> part
>>>> of the discussion it was suggested by Langdon that it would be good
>>>> to
>>>> reach out to the WS WG for input on its requirements and suggestions
>>>> for the Developer Portal since one of the main targets of Fedora WS
>>>> is
>>>> developers.  Since I am on both WGs I offered to liase on this topic.
>>>> What kind of content, requirements or suggestions does the WS WG have
>>>> for the Developer Portal?
>>> Hi Jens,
>>> I looked through the wiki page, and had a few questions/comments:
>>>    * Is the target was exclusively on using Fedora as a client machine,
>>> or if it also is planned to cover using Mac/Windows to develop for
>>> deployment?
>> Yeah good point. Main target of Fedora Developer Portal is to allow users to
>> use a features or projects who use Fedora.
>> Window no. We have no plan currently to support it.
>> If there is going to be a volunteer who creates a page for Mac it would be
>> awesome
>> But for Windows I think that it is not possible;)
> Specifically for Linux container development, the combination of
> Vagrant + VirtualBox + some of the tooling the Project Atomic folks
> are putting together makes it feasible to have a cross-platform
> development story. The Eclipse based tooling is also cross platform.
> However, I don't think it makes sense to focus on that in the initial
> iterations, although it may be a good thing to add later.
Not only container development. With upcoming changes to DevAssistant 
(client-server architecture, WebUI) we aim at using the server part in 
VM (Vagrant, preferably) and client being either served by that VM 
through WebUI or being just a thin client on the host (let's hope 
someone will pick it up and write clients for both Mac and Windows:). 
Then it should be easy to start development of (basically any) Linux 
project on non-Linux system in any language or any framework (well, as 
long as these have assistants available:) )

>>>    * For someone coming to the website, they shouldn't feel that they
>>> have to choose a language, a framework, a database, a deployment
>>> technology before they get started. This is likely to stop anybody but
>>> the most confident and experienced developer dead in their tracks. It's
>>> fine if there is information on the site about a wide range of topics,
>>> but we can't be afraid to make specific recommendations and orient the
>>> experience of coming to the site around those recommendations.
>>> (Probably a small set of recommendations rather than a single one,
>>> depending on what language, if any, the developer knows, and what they
>>> want to develop.)
>> Thanks for this.
>> More information can be found on our GitHub
>> https://github.com/developer-portal/content
>> We would like to allow users e.g to try Vagrant/Docker/DevAssistant
>> and shows them how to install it and how to make their workstation suitable
>> for using or even developing.
> I think there are other recommendations we can draw on to say "If you
> don't have a preference, use this". Think of a decision tree like the
> one I suggested for deployment technologies, where we ask users
> questions they're likely to know the answer to, and suggest a suitable
> tech stack. We can also fall back on existing technology
> recommendations in the other WGs and Fedora Infrastructure.
> Probably another good one to defer, though - while I think we will
> want such a guide for the new deployment tools folks are working on,
> for this initial iteration of the site I think we're wanting to
> attract folks that are *already* developing with open source
> programming languages, and show them how to use their existing
> toolsets effectively on the Fedora, rather than specifically aiming to
> help complete beginners choose a suitable tech stack.
> Cheers,
> Nick.


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