frustrated with the state of linux accessibility

kendell clark coffeekingms at
Wed Mar 18 21:23:27 UTC 2015

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You know, that's a fantastic idea. For the most part though,
accessibility just works. There are exceptions, but as long as you
follow the gtk standards, like providing labels for custom widgets,
making sure your button is really set as a button in gtk and doesn't
just draw an image of a button on screen or similar, orca and similar
just work. Gnome does have issues with unlabeled controls, mostly
buttons, and duplicate controlls where orca will read a control twice,
and it's usually the second instance of that control that's actually
sensitive and actionable. But it definitely cannot hurt to have an
accessibility rating for applications. There remain some serious
issues in some toolkits, such as wxgtk. List boxes in linux are not
presentable by orca. This is probably either a toolkit error or an
orca one that can be solved. Qt works for the most part. I would like
eventually, but am not holding my breath, for applications being run
using wine to be usable by orca. This would require some kind of
windows accessibility to linux accessibility translator or mapper.
LIke I said, I want only to be equal among sighted people. I don't
want special treatment. If you're designing a product or software,
just consider accessibility. It isn't magic or a hard thing to do,
it's just something that';s often not done by hardware and software
manufacturers. That said, linux is much much better at this than
windows, who leaves the blind people to their own devices when
installing stuff. There are actually driver install programs that are
inaccessible, so you can't even  read the thing that installs your
hardware drivers. Linux's device model is different, and superior imo
and doesn't require this
Thanks for reading
Kendell clark
Sent from Fedora GNU/Linux

Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 07:44:42PM -0500, kendell clark wrote:
>> So many desktops I cannot use. Kde, xfce, lxde, lxqt, cinnamon.
>> So many applications I cannot use. Chrome/chromium, applications
>> written for x, rather than using a gui toolkit like gtk or qt,
>> applications that use something other than gtk or qt for their 
>> toolkit.
> Hi,
> if gnome almost works for you, for some definition of almost, then
> I think you should direct your efforts at improving gnome. As the
> default desktop in Fedora Workstation it has the highest exposure,
> and is most likely to reach the "critical mass" of
> accessibility-requiring-users.
> gnome-software is slowly discouraging people from installing
> packages using old toolkits. This already aligns with your needs.
> Applications are scored on a number of features, like large icons,
> proper descriptive text, etc. Accessibility support was not on that
> list to the best of my memory. Maybe you could work with Richard
> Huges — the author of gnome—software — to add bonus points to
> applications which score well in this regard.
> Zbyszek
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