User doesn't get a fully localized system
petersen at redhat.com
Wed Mar 25 08:09:40 UTC 2015
A late quick follow up to this discussion:
Matthias Clasen wrote:
> On Mon, 2015-03-16 at 16:19 +0100, Jiri Eischmann wrote:
> > I discussed this with Anaconda guys today and there are several
> > possible options:
> > 1. it's implemented in Anaconda as an additional spoke on the screen
> > while the system is installed. The problem with this is that Live
> > installer is designed not to require working connectivity. There is
> > no way to set network up in Anaconda, you have to go to the network
> > settings in the live session. A bit confusing for users.
> > 2. it's implemented in FirstBoot as an additional spoke. Here you
> > can already set up the network, so there are better chances users
> > will have a working connectivity. The problem is that FirstBoot is
> > not used by Fedora Workstation.
> > 3. it's implemented in Initial Settings in GNOME where I think there
> > is a screen to set up a network, too, so it can be placed right
> > after this screen.
> > 4. there is a service running on the background which checks if a
> > complete localization is installed and if not and if there is a
> > network connection set up it sends a notification that will
> > encourage the user to install missing support, if he/she agrees it
> > starts a PackageKit task.
> > 5. applications themselves ask PackageKit to install required
> > packages if they miss the localization. Something like codecs
> > installation in Totem.
> > Personally, I like the option #4 and #3 the most.
> > Anyway, I'd be great to have an option to install missing/additional
> > language support in the Region&Language tool in System Settings.
> > Users may change their mind and want to use their language instead
> > of English anytime later.
> I don't think is generally worthwhile to break out applications
> translations as subpackages (libreoffice may be a special case here).
Right the general problem is pretty hard to do correctly (workflow)
and the benefits are probably not that great - for %find_lang
packages rpm can be configured to install a subset though
it is a bit messy since changing it requires reinstalling
Personally I have wished that firefox was subpackaged into langpacks
in Fedora but it seems problematic because of the varying number
of langpacks per release.
> I don't see why this needs to be a 'spoke' in either anaconda or
> firstboot. After the user selects a language, it should check if there
> are extra language-specific packages to install, and offer the user to
> do so (or ask him to get on the network, if that is necessary).
Right - I think a net install will/should trigger yum/dnf-langpacks
to install required langpacks, but for Live it should be done post-install
> Doing the same in gnome-initial-setup or the control-center is
> conceivable too. I believe the i18n team has wanted this functionality
> for a long time.
It is true. Perhaps gnome-software could also help?
Currently I think dnf/yum langinstall can be used to pull in langpacks.
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