Why people are not switching to Fedora

[Alex G.S.]

>
> The idea is nice, but it isn't feasible at all.  We have a better
> chance of just making the FOSS drivers as performant as the
> proprietary drivers.  At least that is somewhat realistic.


In the new AMD scenario (unified kernel module for both FOSS and
proprietary drivers) where you have the proprietary blob in user-space
would this be a feasible thing to achieve if they're using the same kernel
module?  I think then it's a matter Nvidia being the real problem here and
they need to be pushed to do the same with the Nouveau project and have a
single kernel module and move the Nvidia blob into user-space.  It's
extremely frustrating that Nvidia is basically the only thing keeping X11
around.

On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:13 AM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer at fedoraproject.org>
wrote:

> On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 10:07 AM, Alex G.S. <alxgrtnstrngl at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> I'm planning on working on this when we're further into the Wayland
> >> transition,
> >> as I feel that any work on X11 would be soon wasted, and I don't want to
> >> set my Optimus horses before the Wayland cart is ready.
> >
> >
> > Having the FOSS and proprietary drivers be mutually exclusive creates a
> > scenario where a user get's the worst of two experiences.
> >
> > The proprietary and FOSS drivers should be able to be installed at the
> same
> > time and loaded when needed depending on the use-case.  Ideally the user
> > should default to the FOSS driver and run a GNOME Wayland session.  When
> > they play a game from Steam the proprietary drivers should be dynamically
> > loaded as an isolated X11 session similar to what XWayland does today.
> The
> > user should also be able to run apps with the proprietary driver if they
> > wish but the overall desktop should be managed by the FOSS drivers.
>
> This is technically impossible to do, because the kernel only allows
> one driver to drive a piece of hardware.  Even if we rearchitected the
> kernel to allow multiple drivers in a co-operative manner, it still
> wouldn't be possible unless the proprietary drivers were modified to
> do this hand-off.  The only way to achieve what you are suggesting is
> to unload a FOSS driver and load a proprietary driver when you started
> e.g. Steam.  Then do the opposite when you exit the game.  That is
> basically a tear-down of everything and you might as well reboot.
>
> The idea is nice, but it isn't feasible at all.  We have a better
> chance of just making the FOSS drivers as performant as the
> proprietary drivers.  At least that is somewhat realistic.
>
> josh
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