Let's reconsider some more applications installed by default

[Liam]

On Wed, Sep 2, 2015, 7:49 AM Christian Schaller <cschalle at redhat.com> wrote:

> Well it is important to note that these usability studies where done by the
> GNOME community itself through the Outreachy program, with the explicit
> goal
> of being able to optimize the UI design.
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> And from what I can tell having lurked in #gnome-design on Gimpnet they
> discuss the design decisions all the time, and continually try to refine
> the user interface.
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> That said I am all in favour of people getting involved and pushing new
> designs
> and code on behalf of Fedora, but I don't think we are at a place where we
> can
> seriously considering doing a major fork of anything here.
>
> Christian
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> > I'd also like to point to some evidence that the app menu, and gnome
> menus in
> > general, might need to be reworked for fedora.
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> https://ginadobrescu.wordpress.com/outreachy-program/week-10-gnome-usability-test-results-part-1/
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> > I understand gnome design won't discuss design decisions but we're not
> gnome
> > and subjecting our users to every aspect of a largely untested hig seems
> a
> > bit unwise. Even more so when the little testing we have suggests some
> > serious questions about usability.
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Hi Christian,

I'm not suggesting a major fork. I'm putting forward concerns about
usability issues with GNOME and how they might affect the Fedora
Workstation product.
At this time I'm suggesting we not go forward with any further HIG
compliance work on non-GNOME apps. I'd also suggest that we make a change
to the Workstation prd to remove the mention of the need, at this time, to
apply the GNOME HIG.
Eventually I'd like to see if any of Fedora's ux experts would be
interested in performing user testing for our intended user base and
releasing the results so we can see if GNOME is lacking in any areas and
what we can do about it. If anything egregious does pop-up we should make
every effort to encourage fixes to be made upstream.

Best/Liam
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