Default browser of FC3?

[Kyrre Ness Sjobak]

tir, 12.10.2004 kl. 14.35 skrev Lars E. Pettersson:
> On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 14:40, Ricardo Veguilla wrote:
> > On Sun, 2004-10-10 at 13:19 +0200, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
> > > On 10/10/2004 03:35 AM, Ricardo Veguilla wrote:
> ...
> > I read the thread. Are you reading my questions? I didn't ask anyone
> > "Why should Firefox be the default?", I use firefox regularly, I know
> > how good it is, and I know why it will be convenient to used it as
> > default browser. 
> 
> Why not use it as default for Fedora then?
> 
> > But what I asked was "Whats wrong with epiphany?" and when you extended
> > the dicussion to "Why not *insert my favorite browser here*?" you
> > changed the discussion. 
> 
> No, no change in the discussion, I just wanted you to open your eyes for
> the alternatives a bit. When deciding a default for a distribution, you
> have to go through *all* alternatives, not just one, or a very selected
> few.
> 
> > > First, I think the "tightly integrated to Gnome" is irrelevant as Fedora 
> > > is not a Gnome only distribution. 
> > 
> > Well if Fedora includes Gnome and Gnome is designed to be tightly
> > integrating, then it is relevant to Fedora. The same thing happens with
> > KDE. If KDE is designed to be flexible and customizable, then Fedora
> > shouldn't break that user experienced. 
> 
> But it is breaking the user experience for Kde users by having a tightly
> integrated (in Gnome) Gnome application as a systems default. I do not
> think that the Kde users appreciate this.
> 
> Perhaps a systems default is a bad choice, perhaps we should have one
> default for Gnome, one for Kde, one for xfce, and so on.
> 
> > I disagree again, popularity is important for deciding what to include,
> > but its meaningless for the "default application" issue. Defaults are
> > for newbies. An experienced user will use his preferred application, no
> > matter what the default is.  
> > 
> > An new user shouldn't need help using the browser... thats the whole
> > point of using epiphany (or any simple browser). 
> 
> The majority of new users come from the Windows world. These are used to
> certain level of functionality in browsers (and other applications as
> well), why give these an application that have less function than the
> browsers they are used to?
> 
> The number of total computer newbies that never have sat behind/in-front
> of a computer, and start using Linux, is very low. The vast majority
> have experience from Microsoft Windows. That is the reality, at least
> from where I come.
> 
> So the default should reflect what most people use, and want to use.
> 
> On what grounds was Epiphany selected as Gnome default, and on what
> grounds has it been selected as Fedora systems default?
> 

But that does not mean that we should make fedora a "copy" of Windows -
simply because if we do that, we will always play catch-up. Apple has
understood this - and has made a system that is quite different from
anything else. And people love it, say it is the most user-friendly
system ever saw (i dissagree - i have pretty much experience from both
Linux and Windows, but in order to get anything done on a mac, i have to
have the owner open me a terminal...

Lets make fedora different from windows - still easy, but different.
Ship a easy to find newbee-guide on the def. desktop etc, some links to
usefull sites (fedorafaq, release-notes etc), and PLEASE put something
more usefull than release-notes in the goddamn default startpage...

> Lars
> -- 
> Lars E. Pettersson <lars at homer.se>
> http://www.sm6rpz.se/