Everything installs (was: yum downloads need revamping)

[Otto Haliburton]

On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 11:11 -0700, Dax Kelson wrote:
> On Tue, 2005-12-20 at 10:48 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> > On 12/20/05, Otto Haliburton <ottohaliburton at comcast.net> wrote:
> > > well, i can agree with you if fedora was a production system, as far as
> > > I know it is a development system and the object is to select a complete
> > > download,
> > 
> > Pretty sure noone sane thinks an "everything" install is a good idea.
> > But you are free to continue to attempt them.
> 
> For a "production" box (server) that is performing some defined task(s),
> I agree that "everything" is a bad idea.
> 
> For a "power user"/developer box, I don't see any problem with an
> "everything" install. Hard disk space is cheap and you can find some
> cool apps you may not have found otherwise.
> 
> Additionally, I can recall some situations where an application
> dynamically gets extra functionality and features if other *addon* or
> *plugin* packages get installed.
> 
> For example, unless you have "kdeaddons" RPM installed the Konqueror
> browser doesn't have the ability to save a web page offline in a
> tarball. The menu item doesn't show up at all, what a mystery for
> someone not familiar with low level KDE interactions. When I discovered
> this a couple years ago the only way to get the "kdeaddons" RPMs
> installed during installation was via an "everything" install. Possibly
> this has changed now.
> 
> Personally, I prefer an "Mostly english-only everything install" on my
> personal boxes. I do an "everything" install, and first thing after the
> install finishes I run:
> 
> # trim some fat (1.1GB worth)
> rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep ^openoffice.org-langpack` #  600MB
> rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep ^kde-i18n` # 400MB
> rpm -e `rpm -qa | grep -E ^man-pages-[[:alpha:]]` # 100MB
> 
> This may be helpful to the original poster.
> 
> Dax Kelson
> Guru Labs
> 
the possible solution is noted.  I am going to toss this out and I know
that it has been suggested many times, and that is that a graphical
interface be created for yum.  This has both a good and a bad component,
which could be solved by having a standalone yum and a graphical
interface to the stand along version.  Up2date seems to function as one
but I believe it has been effectively disabled in fc4.  This is a
suggestion but maybe a development thing for the future.
-- 
Otto Haliburton <ottohaliburton at comcast.net>