further package removals/potential package removals

[Chris Adams]

Once upon a time, Sean Middleditch <elanthis at awesomeplay.com> said:
> So install it from Extras.  It's preclusion from Core will not cause a
> retroactive obliteration of every copy of joe in the known world, nor
> hinder you in the least from installing it whenever you want from
> Extras.
> 
> Why is this not getting through to people?  Is "extras" a synonym for
> "/dev/null" in half the world or something?  ;-)

Just because _you_ don't think it should be in Core doesn't mean that it
in fact should be removed.  Why do you think you get to dictate what
gets moved to Extras and anyone that disagrees with you is wrong?

To quote from the Fedora website:

   Objectives of Fedora Core:
   1. Create a complete general-purpose operating system with
      capabilities equivalent to competing operating systems, built for
      and by a community -- those who not only consume, but also produce
      for the good of other community members.
   ...
   8. Include a range of popular packages, beyond those included in Red
      Hat's commercially supported products. (Limited, of course, to
      packages that Red Hat can legally provide; also limited to quality
      packages as defined by our standards.)

These are objectives of Fedora _Core_, not Fedora Extras.

Do "competing operating systems" include joe?  I would say yes; joe has
been included in most Linux distributions for years.  If you install the
Solaris 9 "Sun Freeware" collection, you get joe.

Is it a popular package?  It sounds like it.

Is it already included in Red Hat's commecially support products?  It is
in RHEL 3.

In any case, until Fedora Extras fully materializes, I think it is a
moot point.  I would like to see a release with FC and FE released at
the same time (with FE being based on the current "pre-Extras") and FE
fully operational _before_ packages start migrating from Core to Extras.
We need to see how well FE really works before pushing a bunch of
packages out of FC.  I think we also need anaconda to handle installing
from FE ISOs during install to make things as seamless as possible.

-- 
Chris Adams <cmadams at hiwaay.net>
Systems and Network Administrator - HiWAAY Internet Services
I don't speak for anybody but myself - that's enough trouble.