F8 is getting *really* sysadmin-hostile

[Dan Williams]

On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 12:18 -0700, Richi Plana wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-11-15 at 09:46 -0800, Christopher Stone wrote:
> > On Nov 15, 2007 9:33 AM, Jesse Keating <jkeating at redhat.com> wrote:
> > > On Thu, 15 Nov 2007 09:30:00 -0800
> > > John Poelstra <poelstra at redhat.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I've been thinking the same thing...you also lose liferea and pidgin
> > > > which seems totally silly too!
> > > >
> > > > Which component(s) should a bug be filed against?
> > >
> > > You lose those because they have the capability of responding to
> > > NetworkManager connection/disconnection events so that they can do the
> > > right thing.  It would appear that they link to NetworkManager-glib,
> > > and thus if you remove -glib you lose them.
> > 
> > So I guess we need a pidgin-NM or something so pidgin can be installed
> > without NetworkManager.  I'm sure that there are hundreds of cases
> > like this in Fedora, and probably the #1 gripe among Fedora users
> > right now.  Modifying every package to split out every optional
> > component is a lot of work, but should be done.  I think an effort to
> > do this is key towards making Fedora a base distribution for all other
> > distributions.  The idea that you should install all optional
> > components for every package you install is good on paper but not in
> > practice, especially for making spins and custom distros.
> 
> I would suggest going back to the pidgin developers and seeing if the
> NM-capability can't be separated into a run-time loadable shared object
> (module) if it isn't already. That way that can be packaged separately
> like any other pidgin module.

You don't have to use libnm-glib at all; it's pretty simple to use
straight D-Bus to do what needs to be done.

Dan