Fedora 10 - Boot Analysis

[Les Mikesell]

Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> Behdad Esfahbod wrote:
>>>> Matej Cepl wrote:
>>>> On 2008-12-16, 16:09 GMT, Peter Robinson wrote:
>>>>> Nothing to say you can't re-enable it yourself. I don't have a
>>>>> permanent connection to the net but evolution happily holds it in my
>>>>> outbox until I go back online and can connect to a network. Fedora can
>>>> I have a nasty surprise for you -- Fedora is not Windows, so it
>>>> would is not only for people who use Evolution / Kmail
>>>> / Thunderbird.
>>> See above.  On a similar line of though, how about: "please install
>>> and enable
>>> httpd, postgresql, and squid" by default because I use them...
>> Yes, how about it?  What's the point of booting quickly - or at all, if
>> the machine won't provide any services?
> 
> Why would I install the desktop spin if I need those?  Fedora has been taking
> the lets-start-any-services-that-someone-may-need approach so far.  It doesn't
> work.  Spins are a neat way to customize the default install for different
> sectors.  The desktop spin should not install an MTA in my opinion.  That's
> all I'm saying.

Even desktop users deserve an environment that follows standards. Has 
everyone forgotten October's long discussion on this very subject?
http://fcp.surfsite.org/modules/newbb/viewtopic.php?post_id=298345&topic_id=62876
Note particularly reply #96 stating mail delivery is required by both 
posix and the LSB.

I don't understand why people who want non-standard configurations can't 
  stop the service startups themselves - and then they'll know why 
normal programs that expect a standard environment don't work.  Also, 
this doesn't really have anything to do with boot time.  The daemon 
startup can be deferred or put in the background so as not to delay bootup.

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   Les Mikesell
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