Fedora 10 - Boot Analysis

[Seth Vidal]

On Wed, 17 Dec 2008, Behdad Esfahbod wrote:

> Les Mikesell wrote:
>> Jerry Amundson wrote:
>>> On Wed December 17 2008 13:59:14 Jeff Spaleta wrote:
>>>> 2008/12/17 Till Maas <opensource at till.name>:
>>>>> They may also require /usr/bin/sendmail, e.g.:
>>>> I think for the purposes of the discussion... anything which provides
>>>> that file is something Behdad is going to rage madly against "needing"
>>>> in modern personal desktop experience default install target.
>>>
>>> Rightly so, I think. For the 'modern personal desktop' (hope I used
>>> the correct quotes there :-), the critical system messages deserve to
>>> be delivered to the active (or soon to be) desktop, rather than a
>>> passive log file.
>>
>> What does that mean?  Has Linux stopped being a multiuser system?
>
> You're sounding like a troll now.  The phrase "modern personal desktop" was
> quite twice in the two-paragraph you replied to.
>
> Just install the server spin and be happy.  What's wrong with that?
>

the problem is that a lot of the notification utilities/tools seem to be 
developed exclusively with a desktop/laptop in mind. Not with a server 
infrastructure and a sysadmin-controlled-environment in mind.

In short, stop talking about desktop/laptop-centric notifications.

If you want to get rid of sendmail-style notifications then using the same 
notification infrastructure make sure that at introduction there  are 
tools to notify a user on the desktop AND to get a message out in one of 
the older styles, like sending an email.

And I don't mean a tool like 'oh just run oddjob' I mean something 
tailored to do that. It's not an unreasonable request and since fedora 
(and rhel which derives from fedora) are not desktop-only distros it is a 
perfectly sensible thing to do.

The most obvious thing I've not seen, yet, is a notification->email dbus 
listener. That would allow interaction to the mail notifications that Les 
(and A LOT of sysadmins) want and it would also allow someone to learn how 
to do that better. Dbus-notifications to nagios or zabbix, for example.

Does that make sense?
-sv