SELinux removed from desktop cd spin?

Les Mikesell lesmikesell at
Wed Jan 23 05:13:59 UTC 2008

Rahul Sundaram wrote:

>>>>>> Are you seriously trying to imply that the NSA, of all 
>>>>>> organizations, never backdoors anything?
>>>>> They would have to pretty stupid to try to do something like that 
>>>>> with free and open source software.
>>>> Was that the straight line for a joke?
>>> No.
>> There has to be one somewhere, but the point is that we can't possibly 
>> know if they would try something stupid or not - and I usually guess 
>> the worst.
> It's not merely a question of belief. The long standing best defense 
> against trojan horses are open implementations which PGP or SELinux is. 
> If there is a risk, the risk is definitely higher for proprietary software.

But the NSA would be at least as capable of introducing a hack that you 
could examine but not see as Ken Thompson:
I'd expect them to even be able to conspire with the CPU vendors to have 
certain undocumented opcode sequences do magical things.

I don't see any reason to trust proprietary software either.

   Les Mikesell
    lesmikesell at

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