default partition scheme without /home - why ?

[Valent Turkovic]

Chris Snook wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
>> 2008/3/10 Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com>:
>>> On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 15:56 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>>>  > 2008/3/10 Paul W. Frields <stickster at gmail.com>:
>>>  > > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 14:19 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>>>  > >  > 2008/3/10 Jesse Keating <jkeating at redhat.com>:
>>>  > >  > > On Mon, 2008-03-10 at 13:34 +0100, Valent Turkovic wrote:
>>>  > >  > >  > Is that on purpose and if it why?
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  Guessing how much space you'll need in your non /home 
>>> partitions over
>>>  > >  > >  time is difficult.  Only you know how your install will be 
>>> used.  That's
>>>  > >  > >  why the installer defaults to the easiest thing to guess;  
>>> How much boot
>>>  > >  > >  space you'll need, and how much swap space.  However since 
>>> you know how
>>>  > >  > >  your install is going to be used, you are best to make 
>>> those estimations
>>>  > >  > >  and setup your /home as you want it.
>>>  > >  > >
>>>  > >  > >  --
>>>  > >  > >  Jesse Keating
>>>  > >  > >  Fedora -- All my bits are free, are yours?
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  > Fedora Live CD target audience are desktop users, right? I as a
>>>  > >  > desktop user haven't seen any need for / partiton over 8-10 GB.
>>>  > >  > Servers, and other fedora usages may need some other 
>>> partition schemes
>>>  > >  > but a default home user has huge benefits from a dedicated /home
>>>  > >  > partition.
>>>  > >  >
>>>  > >  > It is probable that new users aren't aware that /home 
>>> partition as a
>>>  > >  > dedicated partition has advantages and it would be best if 
>>> anaconda
>>>  > >  > makes the "smart" partition scheme in which /home is a separate
>>>  > >  > partition in LVM volume, or a logical partition. Separate 
>>> home has
>>>  > >  > lots of advantages that you are aware of, so why not just 
>>> change the
>>>  > >  > partition scheme to take advantage of that?
>>>  > >
>>>  > >  Those users could read the Installation Guide, which talks 
>>> about this
>>>  > >  exact situation and how to set up partitions that make sense.  
>>> I don't
>>>  > >  think it's unreasonable to expect that new users who are going to
>>>  > >  install should read the document that tells them how to do it.  
>>> There's
>>>  > >  not a lot we can do for people who won't read.
>>>  >
>>>  > Where on the Live CD can I see the Installation Guide?
>>>
>>>  Putting the IG on the Live Image isn't a good answer.  Carrying all the
>>>  languages we'd need to make that a good solution would knock other 
>>> stuff
>>>  off the already cramped space.  However, we should link to the IG from
>>>  the site where the Live Image is downloaded.  People can download a 
>>> copy
>>>  to read offsite, or read it off the Web.  I've already made a note 
>>> on my
>>>  draft for the new download workflow, at
>>>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PaulWFrields/Drafts/NewGetFedora .  
>>> And of
>>>  course, whether we link or provide it directly probably doesn't impact
>>>  whether people actually *read* it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
>> IG is a monster to read :)
>> Has there been a initiative to make "guick install guide" or something
>> like that?
>>
>> Valent
>>
> 
> Actually, this reminds me of something else that I think Fedora could do 
> much better, namely, providing recommended kickstart configurations for 
> various uses.  It would be dirt cheap to populate the LiveCD and the 
> base install media with a few different kickstart profiles, including a 
> "desktop novice" profile.  This wouldn't change the default behavior 
> (and thus would not piss off lots of people) but would still accomplish 
> your goal.
> 
>     -- Chris
> 

This sounds like a great ides. Where can I look for info regarding 
kickstart files, what are they, how are they used in fedora, etc...

Valent.