Fedora sound nightmare (Pulseaudio)

[Lubomir Kundrak]

On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 12:23 -0400, Dimi Paun wrote:
> On Thu, 2008-03-13 at 17:00 +0100, Lubomir Kundrak wrote:
> > Do you have a bug report id?
> > If not, please don't bother us with your sound problems.
> > If yes, there's no need to spam -devel list with your pet bug.
> 
> So you think that while running a stable (not Rawhide) version
> of Fedora, it is normal for me to file a sound-related bug report
> every few days when it stops working, for the past 4 years or so?

Now tell me you were not aware of the volume of updates that come with
Fedora? If you were and you were not aware things may break then you are
either naive or have some other problem. Noone forces you to install
those, you could use yum-security plugin for example. And if even
security updates break your system (the pulseaudio one was security) --
and you have no interest in contributing to development -- ever heard of
Red Hat Enterprise Linux? You made the wrong choice.

Moreover, if you looked into history of this list, you would certainly
discover what was the reason for the pulseaudio update (and find whom to
blame :), but you certainly didn't bother. All you used this list for
was "You keep breaking my system", which is very rude towards people who
devote their time to developing it. If you helped them troubleshoot the
problem (with a bug report and useful debugging information), that would
be another story.

> And the bug should say what? Sound doesn't work? I tried: kernel
> guys says it's ALSA, ALSA says it's SELinux, others say it's PA.
> It is hopeless -- a single such report takes many hours to follow
> up, and if I'm lucky, I'm told to download some sources and compile
> them myself to test them out (which I'll _not_ do on my RPM-managed
> production system).

If you're not informed and skilled enough to debug the problem, the
developers would certainly be interested to help you. That's what bug
reports are for, no need to pollute mailing list with it.

> I don't have problems with filing bug reports, but please realize
> it's not sustainable to ask a user to _continuously_ file the same
> bug report for a critical system component such as sound. This is
> not a pet bug (as you so graciously remarked), but a critical 
> component on which many business processes revolve 
> (think Skype+conference).

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Lubomir Kundrak (Red Hat Security Response Team)