kernel-libre (hopefully 100% Free) for Fedora 8 and rawhide

Bill Nottingham notting at
Mon Mar 31 16:07:58 UTC 2008

Alexandre Oliva (aoliva at said: 
> > Forks are *bad*. Maintaining them is *bad*.
> Nobody's talking about forks here.  It's just removing (automatically)
> a bunch of files from regular releases.  No biggie.

It's changing the feature set. It's a fork. You do not get to redefine
things to suit your convenience.

> > - no alternative kernels or kernel modules allowed in Fedora
> Except for kernel-xen, eh?


> > Seriously, those that maintain or help to maintain the Fedora kernel have
> > told you *exactly* how this should be worked to be done, and make it
> > acceptable for both you and for Fedora.
> As I've said, it's not work I'm skilled to do, and it's work that's
> not compatible with my personal mission.

Let's take another example:

User: "Hey, I'd like to put this driver in the kernel! It's SUPER RAD! It
opens /dev/kmem to write over the syscall table!"

Fedora kernel: "Thanks, but no thanks. If you want to actaully monitor
things, you may try porting this to the auditing layer."

User: "I'm sorry, I don't have the skills to do that. And it's not
compatible with my mission of getting this other tool in! Please tell
me how I can get my driver in just the way I wrote it! You'll love it!"

Fedora kernel: "Eh, no."

Same thing.

> Any other suggestions?

Find a different windmill to tilt at?

> > But that is not really the problem of Fedora. I'd like to think we
> > hold things to a somewhat higher standard than the cheap broken fix.
> Sure you can.  But it looks like you don't want to, or you're talking
> about a different problem.

Your proposal is a cheap broken fix. We hold packaging things (especially
the kernel) to a higher standard. You're asking to have your own little
conflicting sandbox as part of Fedora to play in just the way you want,
and are explicitly ignoring people who have suggested to you how to get
your goal accomplished in a sane, maintainable, way.

I'm not sure what sort of community you're used to where that's normal,
but I can't imagine such a community is a good idea for Fedora.


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