Localisation needs to be improved

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Am Sonntag, den 04.05.2008, 13:16 +1000 schrieb Rodd Clarkson:
> On Sun, 2008-05-04 at 04:18 +0200, Jeroen van Meeuwen wrote:
> > Pavel Shevchuk wrote:
> > > You chose Australia on timezone selection screen.
> > > 
> > > Anaconda can't handle such specific needs without making GUI
> > > obfuscated, and it works OK for most users already.
> > > 
> 
> Oh great.  X seems to work for most people, so let's just leave it at
> that.  It will make Ajax's work a lot easier.  For that matter, the
> kernel seems to work for most people so let's just leave it at that.
> etc.
> 
> > True, anaconda may not be able to handle it without obfuscating the GUI, 
> > and I don't think it's something that needs to be done during the 
> > installation or even during firstboot.
> 
> Actually, while there needs to be tools to adjust it afterwards, this is
> most definitely something anaconda should be getting right.
> 
> You're average (non-advanced) users they are highly unlikely to know
> that this can be managed some other way and will most likely just curse
> and groan their way through each change they have to make at the
> applications level to get it right.
> 
> As an example, I have to change the paper settings in a number of places
> in cups so that it knows I use A4 paper.  Add to this that evince
> doesn't honor this, so I have to tell it that I'm printing A4 otherwise
> every thing is scaled down just a little.  OOo also needs to be told
> about my A4 habit because it doesn't seem to honor cup's settings
> either.  And that's just a start.
> 
> Temperatures set to Fahrenheit.  Measurements in inches, feet and yards.
> 
> Getting this right at the install reaches deeply into the entire user
> experience, and should be done right at the install.  After all, once I
> customize all these settings, a change to system-config-locale is
> unlikely to see these settings changing accordingly.
> 
> > > Advanced users can customize locale manually. Casual users want less
> > > buttons and get work done faster. I vote for leaving it as is.
> 
> I don't know what to say about this argument.  You seem to be arguing
> that it's okay that we get this wrong, because advanced users can work
> around it.
> 
> Besides, while I'm not sure I'm an advanced user, I also don't want to
> either have to redo this every six months (with each release of fedora)
> or ignore something that's broken just because it can fix it easily and
> ignore how much it might inconvenience other less advanced users.
> 
> I say it should be fixed.
> 
> 
> R.
> -- 
> "It's a fine line between denial and faith.
>  It's much better on my side"
> 

Are you suggesting a "firstboot" for first time user logins?