starting Fedora Server SIG

[Jeremy Katz]

On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 15:17 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 1:22 PM, Jeremy Katz <katzj at redhat.com> wrote:
> > On Fri, 2008-11-14 at 13:13 -0500, Martin Langhoff wrote:
> >> I agree with the desire to maintain only one tool. However, NM is
> >> extremely desktop oriented, and there seems to include no hint of an
> >> intention to support the complex setups that are possible with the old
> >> ifcfg infra.
> >
> > Really?  Most of the work over the past couple of years in NM seems to
> > be aimed at trying to support these cases as opposed to just the
> > "simple" desktop case
> 
> That's odd -- I've never seen any of it. Are there good examples of
> how you configure a server to do special stuff with it? Or a
> 'scripting network-manager' guide somewhere?

Much of the work going from NM 0.6 -> 0.7 has been around things like
multiple interfaces up at once, static configs and system settings.  All
of which are things which matter far more for your typical server than a
desktop.

> > And rather than focusing on nm-tool and exactly what it exposes, it's
> > probably more interesting to look at the dbus interfaces/daemon
> > capabilities.  Yes, I'll be one of the first to say it's painful to
> > write code interacting with dbus :-) -- but, it is very flexible and
> 
> And
>  - it's very far removed from the stuff that a unix sysadmin deals with
>  - it forces me to have a script running to listen to dbus events :-/

Lots of things in a modern system are far removed from the stuff a unix
sysadmin has traditionally dealt with.  That doesn't make it necessarily
"bad".  And as Seth pointed out, this "all new is bad" or "all new is
good" dichotomy is a part of the problem

Jeremy