My roadmap for a better Fedora

[Aioanei Rares]

Les Mikesell wrote:
> Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>
>>>>>> Problem: We need more and wider testing. Why don't we get more 
>>>>>> testing?
>>>>>  .. because this work is not attractive. It's boring work without
>>>>>  proper credit in open source community.
>>>> Right. Furthermore, testing implies finding bugs, discussing, 
>>>> struggling
>>>> and arguing with package maintainers and upstreams. Not necessarily a
>>>> way to make friends :)
>>>>
>>>> However, I think the primary cause in is Fedora's work-flow and 
>>>> Fedora's
>>>> infrastructure. I find them not to be really helpful to such 
>>>> endeavors.
>>> I do think Windows has improved a lot since they added the crash 
>>> reporter.  OS X has one 
>>
>> These are closed source OSes - They don't have any alternative but such
>> "user participation programs" - OSS has alternatives.
>
> Beg your pardon, but having the option (requirement?) to fix broken 
> stuff myself has never been all that appealing to me as an aspect of 
> open source.  I look to it more for the benefits of re-using code that 
> is already well tested.  Of course that doesn't work out all that well 
> in a project that keeps changing things...
>
>>> - and I though Ubuntu included one too although I haven't seen 
>>> anything trip it.
>> Gnome had one for many years (bug-buddy), ... I don't recall having seen
>> it providing any substantial improvement to Gnome.
>>
>> Now the kernel also has one (kerneloops) ... We'll see if it will
>> provide improvements.
>
> How does that work?  I'd think a dead kernel or one that doesn't boot 
> would have a hard time reporting it's problems.
>
A kernel oops is not a crash and it doesn't render the kernel 
unbootable. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_kernel_oops .
>> My expectations on such tools are very low. Many users switch them off
>> and developers/maintainers tend to ignore them as noise.
>
> If the developers ignore the information, then at least they should 
> stop blaming the lack of testers for the lingering bugs.
>