DVD (video) and Fedora

[Martin Sourada]

On Sat, 2009-02-07 at 17:06 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> Martin Sourada wrote:
> > On Thu, 2009-02-05 at 07:14 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> >> King InuYasha wrote:
> >>> Apparently, Fedora DOES expect that... Or somehow magically play DVDs in 
> >>> Ogg formats.
> >>>
> >>> I have two things against Ogg formats:
> >>> 1) Not well used outside purist communities
> >>> 2) Theora has horrible quality compared to other video codecs.
> >>>
> >>> I do though, like Ogg Vorbis and use it regularly.
> >> 1) Firefox, Epiphany, Opera etc will play Theora by default in their 
> >> next major release. Native video support without the need for plugins is 
> >>   big deal and will push more people to generate that type of content
> >>
> > Now, that's something I personally don't approve off. It's precisely the
> > same case as with your HW media player saying it will play only mp3's.
> 
> It isn't since Firefox is software relying on a library using non patent 
> encumbered codecs.
> 
That's not what I meant. They are forcing you to use format they've
chosen and it does not matter if it's patent encumbered or not, the idea
is that you are restricting choice and forcing your users to use what
you think is good for them.

> > From what I heard, firefox will play *only* theora and/or vorbis in ogg
> > container, while webkit can play whatever gstreamer supports (which is
> > IMHO the right thing to do). I don't mind promoting free libre open
> > source codecs and formats, but this way of promoting is in my opinion
> > bad. Also it bans away all other FLOSS codecs/containers like matroska,
> > dirac or flac. Whither hath the choice gone?
> 
> Firefox uses liboggplay and will support whatever that library does. It 
> currently supports both vorbis and theora and the plan is to support dirac.
> 
> http://wiki.xiph.org/index.php/OggPlay
> 
Well that sounds better than what I thought, still the container
restriction seems to be ogg.

> Remember that OGG is a container and doesn't restrict the choice of 
> codecs. Also Webkit has no native support for gstreamer codecs. it 
> varies by the platform.
> 
Yes, it uses various backends depending on platform for <video>/<audio>
tags, in linux it's most likely gstreamer both for GTK a and QT, which
basically means that on our platform it supports whatever gstreamer
supports (depends on what plugins you have installed). Meaning in webkit
you'll be able to play same range of videos you can with totem, while in
firefox you'll be restricted to open source, not patented codecs and ogg
format. Well, we'll see if the <video> tags will actually be used and
how...

> Rahul
> 
Martin
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